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A better analogy would be donating to a non-profit organization.
Let's say you donate to a non-profit organization and find out they used your money to pay for manicures for some of their employees.
"Yeah, well they should be able to do whatever they want with your donation. You donated to them and it's their money now!"
But they can't just use your donation however they want. The whole reason you donated your money was so that the non-profit organization would use it to support their causes, their goals, to help people in some way.
Just like how the prize kits are meant to be used a certain way; to be given out as prizes in organized play scenarios at local stores, to drum up interest in Heroclix, to bring more players into Heroclix.
Just because stores bought prize kits with their own money doesn't mean they should have full control over what to do with them. That is not how Wizkids planned for them to be used.
A better analogy would be donating to a non-profit organization.
So now we're comparing WK to a non-profit? LOL, okay I'll play along ...
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Let's say you donate to a non-profit organization and find out they used your money to pay for manicures for some of their employees.
Did WK "donate" those prize kits? Are they even provided at or near cost? No.
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"Yeah, well they should be able to do whatever they want with your donation. You donated to them and it's their money now!"
Although again it's not a donation, a true nonprofit actually can do just about anything they want with your donation (unless they advertise to the contrary or run afoul of some law). I know of national nonprofits that sell stuff in bulk on the side and it never goes through the front door to the people it's "intended" for, but the nonprofit and thus the people it's helping still benefit.
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But they can't just use your donation however they want. The whole reason you donated your money was so that the non-profit organization would use it to support their causes, their goals, to help people in some way.
If WK's goal is to support its venues, and thus its player base, that's still happening. Making a little extra off the stuff online (or in store) helps many of the smaller venues (and the players at the venue still get prizes for the tournaments).
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Just like how the prize kits are meant to be used a certain way; to be given out as prizes in organized play scenarios at local stores, to drum up interest in Heroclix, to bring more players into Heroclix.
Do you really believe that? I've seen just the opposite. The expensive buy-in for NML sealed, plus the highly competitive play for prize support, actually drives newer players away. We get new players on the $2 modern or golden tournaments, never on IG or NML weeks.
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Just because stores bought prize kits with their own money doesn't mean they should have full control over what to do with them. That is not how Wizkids planned for them to be used.
Because venues are so limited in what they can buy, are a few stores who violate the spirit of the prize kits really going to make much of a difference in the scheme of things? The vast majority of venues are going to use as much prize support as needed at their venue, and only sell off what's left over. Let's have a little faith in our retailers. WK admits that there's no such thing as an "online-only retailer" so what's the big problem? Don't you think you'd hear the players of a venue scream if there was no prize support?
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"few stores that violate the spirit of the prize kits"
"vast majority of venues are going to use as much prize support as needed at their venue"
That's the problem. You feel it's 'the few' doing the wrong. While that may have some truth, the players in my town have been affected by 'the few' and I am confident other players have been affected by 'the few'. And until you've been personally affected by a local store doing this to you, you really have no idea how it feels.
All I want to see is prizes given out how they are supposed to, and writing "NOT FOR RESELL" on the package hasn't solved the problem.
"few stores that violate the spirit of the prize kits"
"vast majority of venues are going to use as much prize support as needed at their venue"
That's the problem. You feel it's 'the few' doing the wrong. While that may have some truth, the players in my town have been affected by 'the few' and I am confident other players have been affected by 'the few'. And until you've been personally affected by a local store doing this to you, you really have no idea how it feels.
All I want to see is prizes given out how they are supposed to, and writing "NOT FOR RESELL" on the package hasn't solved the problem.
so why not have the WES keep track of what venues have tourneys and which dont? isnt that what its supposed to do? and what about venues that get screwed out of an OP kit and are lucky to have another venue sell them their extra kit so the screwed venue can have their tourneys? i think the problem is the ordering requirements coupled with a lack of mandatory use of the WES than strong arming venues into a contract forcing them to choose whether clix is worth having or not.
132-60 matches, 20 tourney wins (67-100) 2013
223-112 matches, 31 tourney wins 2012,Arcadia Grand prix runner up 2012,Arcadia Grand prix Runner up 2013
ROC West Coast Winner Co-Main Event 2013
I definitely agree that if Relics didn't need to be rolled for, they would be used more often. Who wants to pay 5-15 points for an object that may never actually come into use.
By putting exclusive content in Mass Market which is then scooped up by collectors, WK establishes to Target's collectibles buyers that this is a product which will sell through, causing them to order more of future releases. The reason these sets are in Mass Market stores is to sell enough at a high enough volume to pay for the movie licenses.
Anecdotally, I found DKR figs at 2 targets in 2 different states a good bit after they were released. I suspect targets are stocked with one GF at a time, so while we often see them cleared out, they're often restocked.
Oddly enough, just yesterday I found a GF of AVM in my local ShopKo. Not sure how they managed to get their hands on a previously-Target-exclusive product a year after release. But I did notice that the boosters I could see had all been opened by Loki-hunters.
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