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More options when fleet-building means more potential strategies, which is in itself an advantage.
This is a pretty common response whenever there's any criticism of LE's. Maybe it's true for some people, but that's not the way I personally feel. I couldn't care less if other people have something that I don't have, but I get annoyed with WK when they deliberately make something fun and useful in the game, and that will in all likelihood see wide use, also limited in availability.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm advocating, only facilitated directly by WK rather than relying on secondary Marie availability. Why is it a nice back-up if you can get it on the secondary market, but problematic if WK offers it for sale instead?
Sorry, vague statement. Not that venues would charge less for OP attendance than they currently do, but rather that having a fixed price on the later retail version of participation prizes would allow venues to ensure that they're charging less for the event than for the prizes alone. Basically the exact same scenario you laid out above: either I can spend $10 to go ay a few games, maybe win a ship, and get some goodies, or I can pay $15 just for the goodies (a some point after the event).
I don't see any reason why WK wouldn't implement some sort of restriction on ordering, such that only brick-and-mortar stores who had run the associated OP event could place follow-up orders for a retail version of the participation prizes.
I'm not saying the current model doesn't work, I just think it could work better with some tweaks. A lot of games get on just fine without a large portion of exclusive content, and have thriving game communities that meet regularly to play in stores, where a lot of players in turn buy most of their stuff. WK are just doing things more-or-less the way they always have, because it works for them, but there have always been plenty of other approaches to promoting in-store gaming as well.
There have only been 3 events so far, and only a few more to go, with some new releases planned as they come along. It seems to me that it would be easy to plan out which ships you want, you could even plan your fleet builds ahead of time, and just wait and get a ship at each event. I can't imagine you'd end up with superfluous ships at that point.
So far it's 50/50, right? Of the prize ships we've seen, 2 are sculpts that we already have (or are about to get), and 2 are not. They may well release a D'Kora and Nebula class at some point in the future, but based on what we've seen so far it seems like it will be kind of a long wait, and neither really fits the Delta Quadrant theme (although surely some Nebula-class fought the Borg, so there's an opportunity there).
I am not going to address each point again, but the basic premise is offering prize support later on for direct purchase completely undermines the whole idea of OP play. I know you think it will work both ways, but I think your objectivity is being clouded with your desire to have the OP ships. Many, if not most, people won't play in an event if they can purchase the ships/prizes later on. That makes the rather large investment made by venues in OP kits pointless, as venues will either lose money running the events, or stop buying the kits and running events all together. That will in turn draw less people into the shop to buy Attack Wing, causing sales to drop, causing the venues to order less, causing Wizkids to sell less. Personally I wish they would run their OP events like Fantasy Flight does and the prizes they offer are unique items that do not change game play at all. Sadly, I do not get to make those kinds of decisions for Wizkids. While I do not particularly like the model they are using, I totally understand the reasons behind it. More to the point I accept the fact that I can't have everything my way and sometimes I have to track down hard to find pieces and spend a little more money. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what any of us think or desire, Wizkids is going to run their events the way they want to and we can either participate, or not.
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While I agree with the not to unreasonable part........this part is incorrect.....
The month 2 LE is
I.K.S. ChTang (B’Rel-Class)/ B’Rel-Class Klingon Starship (Dominion War Month 2 LE)
Front Firing Arc: 90° Rear Firing Arc: 90°
A: 4
E: 1
H: 3
S: 3 (2)
If you initiate and attack while cloaked, you may choose any number of your attack dice and re-roll them once.
Actions: Evade, Target Lock, Cloak, Sensor Echo
Upgrades: Tech, Weapon, Weapon, Crew
Points: 22 (20)
and the Wave 2 ship is.....
I.K.S. Koraga (K'Vort Class)/Klingon Starship (K'Vort Class)
Front Firing Arc: 90° Rear Firing Arc: 90°
A: 4
E: 1
H: 5
S: 3 (2)
Each time you defend while Cloaked roll +1 defence die.
Actions: Evade, Target Lock, Cloak, Sensor Echo
Upgrades: Tech, Weapon, Crew, Crew
Points: 26 (24)
Two different classes of BoP...........for me though, if I didn't have access to the B’Rel-Class one (which I do) I wouldn't be bothered.......as long as I have a general release BoP I'm good.
my bad, I saw the same sculpt and thought they were the same ship. I hate that they re-release the same sculpt for different ships. It can make it somewhat confusing on the battlefield, especially if you accidentally grab the wrong maneuver dial.
Quote : Originally Posted by traitorarmor
Two different classes of BoP...........for me though, if I didn't have access to the B’Rel-Class one (which I do) I wouldn't be bothered.......as long as I have a general release BoP I'm good.
Its not the B'Rel Class ship that I think was of value in the Month 2 OP event, it was the Barrage of Fire and Captain card that came with it. Although the rear firing arc is a nice addition to the Klingons.
The problem is if they offered just an alternate card like FFG what about the resources? How would we get them? They are not just going to put them up for sale on the shelf because people will pass over the ones that seem week for what is perceived more power. With the OP kit each month something new shows up and players try them as they come. OP kits are there to bring play into the store. It is to encourage owners to carry a large stock and push them. If you could just get the LE at a regular price or the month after brick and mortar stores suffer. OP kits are to bring in players not just give out cool stuff.
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The problem is if they offered just an alternate card like FFG what about the resources? How would we get them? They are not just going to put them up for sale on the shelf because people will pass over the ones that seem week for what is perceived more power. With the OP kit each month something new shows up and players try them as they come. OP kits are there to bring play into the store. It is to encourage owners to carry a large stock and push them. If you could just get the LE at a regular price or the month after brick and mortar stores suffer. OP kits are to bring in players not just give out cool stuff.
Ironically when I played X-Wing, I still felt the desire to track down those alternative art cards, and acrylic tokens, even though I knew I didn't need them to play, and that it didn't change the playing experience what-so-ever. The prizes still went for pretty good money on the secondary markets too. Kind of crazy
Hey sorry, busy week with folks in town and I lost track of this thread. Discussion is getting kind of cyclical, so I'm just as happy to agree to disagree.
And don't get me wrong - I can see the merits to WK's current system, and know that it does work - I just find it interesting to talk out alternatives! Just one point:
Quote : Originally Posted by csi
I think your objectivity is being clouded with your desire to have the OP ships.
It's not about me wanting OP ships, like I said a few times earlier in this thread, I think it makes perfect sense that OP ships (or any 1st/Fellowship/Judge prize) remain LE-only. I would like to be able to buy a ship that reuses the same sculpt with different accompanying cards, but that's another topic.
Any OP prizes be it the ships or tokens, will always be fetching some high dollar because the secondary market person that "HAS TO HAVE IT" will pay through the nose for it.
I'd like a set of acrylic templates, but the paper ones I have work just fine!
The LE ships I wish were sold later, maybe a year or six months after the original prize pool, that way those who did win them can get a little use before they go public.
I've so far not scene anything from the LE prizes that is soooo groundbreaking you have to have it.
I enjoy the resources as they do add a little "captains luck" to the game.