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I stand corrected, that example actually makes a ton of sense...
All good. Sometimes it just takes a second to see things.
Quote : Originally Posted by Ulkaur
Ok, just so we're clear, the following would be true on shadowland map:
If counting squeres, as in "characters within x squares", that is not reduced, since no targeting is involved.
If counting range and line of fire, x can't be greater than 6. "Target a character within range and line of fire"
Correct. All Shadowland says is:
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A character cannot target a character, object, or square more than 6 squares away.
Just remember, anytime you draw lof you are targeting. So a Hydra/PD that is 7 squares away won't help an adjacent friendly who is 6 squares away from the target.
LINK TELEPATHICALLY: Friendly characters within 4 squares can draw lines of fire and count range and squares from the square of any one friendly character within 4 squares of Tellus.
Shadowland Map:
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A character cannot target a character, object, or square more than 6 squares away.
Is Darkseid the character targeting and making the attack? If yes, then he cannot target characters further than 6 squares away on the Shadowland map, regardless of who he is drawing line of fire from.
(Speed) Concentrate on One Projection: Give Dr. Strange a free action and choose an opposing character adjacent to a friendly Astral Dr. Strange. This turn, Dr. Strange can target that character regardless of range, squares, or line of fire when making a ranged combat attack or using Outwit or Perplex.
The Dr. Strange ruling is not really applicable. The quoted power allows Dr. Strange to target a character any number of squares away. The map applies a restriction.
With Tellus, how do you determine whether a character is more than 6 squares away except by counting squares? Tellus changes where you count squares from. Unless there is a change to Tellus, I believe that the character can count squares from a friendly character within 4 squares of Tellus, and from there, is limited to 6 by the map, because Tellus changes how you count squares.
Quote : Originally Posted by catws011 Maria Hill
PLAYING BOTH SIDES: Once per turn, Maria Hill can use Outwit. When she does, she can be given a power action instead of a free action to count range and draw lines of fire from an opposing character.
With Maria Hill, I think it's a similar case as Dr. Strange; she doesn't change where she counts squares from, only range.
We had a similar discussion about large base characters and being 5 or more squares away from a starting area. You can be 5 squares away and still be within 4 squares if your base is large enough, therefor you would not be eligible for hammers from the Book.
Tangent, but base size doesn't matter.
Quote : Originally Posted by The Book of the Skull
Equipping a Character - At the beginning of each of your turns, you may remove a Hammer from The Book of the Skull and place it in the square of a friendly character that is at least 5 squares from any starting area. Also, once per turn you may give a character a power action and remove a Hammer from The Book of the Skull and place it in a friendly character's square that is at least 5 squares from any starting area.
Unless there's been an orange ruling otherwise, you pick the square, not the character, so the square cannot both be 5 squares away and less than 5 squares away from your starting area.
Unless there's been an orange ruling otherwise, you pick the square, not the character, so the square cannot both be 5 squares away and less than 5 squares away from your starting area.
There has been a discussion and an orange ruling. Yes, the square is 5 away, but the character is not, so yes base size does matter. (giggity)
The answer is yes, being more than the determined squares away does stop you. On the Shadowland map or any rule that says you can't do something if you are x squares away, then you can't do it if you are x squares away.
The explanation is quite simple. You are both less than and greater than 6 squares away. You're less than through Tellus, but you are still physically greater than because your character is more than 6 squares away.
(Shadowland is 6 not 8)
We had a similar discussion about large base characters and being 5 or more squares away from a starting area. You can be 5 squares away and still be within 4 squares if your base is large enough, therefor you would not be eligible for hammers from the Book.
Let me see if I could explain it with a story.
I played a lot of strategy games as a child growing up. In one of the games that I played, there was a command in battle that would allow you to take command of a friendly unit and have them perform an action in the place of your turn, regardless of your distance from each other and the eventual target of your attack.
With all that said, if you transpose Tellus as your unit, the friendly piece as the unit that you, "take command of", and the enemy unit as the eventual target of your attack, all that with the restriction of "within 6 squares", the only two units that matter should be Tellus and the enemy unit being within 6 squares, seeing as it is Tellus, not the friendly unit, that is taking the action and getting the action token.
I played a lot of strategy games as a child growing up. In one of the games that I played, there was a command in battle that would allow you to take command of a friendly unit and have them perform an action in the place of your turn, regardless of your distance from each other and the eventual target of your attack.
With all that said, if you transpose Tellus as your unit, the friendly piece as the unit that you, "take command of", and the enemy unit as the eventual target of your attack, all that with the restriction of "within 6 squares", the only two units that matter should be Tellus and the enemy unit being within 6 squares, seeing as it is Tellus, not the friendly unit, that is taking the action and getting the action token.
Sorry if I'm being thick here, but I don't follow. Are we talking about Mind Control? Are you agreeing or disagreeing with what I said?
In the examples used so far, Tellus is doing nothing so he wouldn't be getting an action token. The character being given an action is drawing lof through Tellus, and as such they are within 6 squares for lof and range purposes, but the physical piece is not within 6 squares, so it cannot draw lof to the target. On the flipside, the opposing piece is within 6 squares for any powers on the friendly piece behind Tellus (be it SPO or Prof X or whatever), but they are also still greater than 6 away for lof purposes, so could not target said friendly if they had the range and lof to do so.