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LEADER OF THE KREE EFFORT: Kree General can use Energy Explosion and Leadership. When he uses Leadership and succeeds, the action token he removes may be from any friendly character with the Kree keyword. If he does, then Kree General can't use Stealth this turn.
When Kree general uses this leadership is he still restricted to adjacent characters for token removal or is he able to remove from anywhere on the map?
Because they did not say "anywhere on the map" my belief is that the leadership power retains its adjacency restriction and just overrides the point value restriction.
Last edited by IceHot; 08/22/2014 at 20:46..
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When he uses Leadership and succeeds, the action token he removes may be from any friendly character with the Kree keyword
Any Kree means what?
If they meant a more expensive adjacent Kree then shouldn't they have said that? Something like "A character with the Kree keyword regardless of point value"?
If they meant a less expensive Kree anywhere on the map, shouldn't they have said that? Something like "May remove the token from a character with the Kree keyword anywhere on the map"?
To me, any Kree means ANY Kree. The only exception would be that he couldn't remove it from himself because leadership doesn't allow that.
My vote is for any other character with the Kree keyword, regardless of cost or location.
But there may be precedent for "Any" meaning "cheaper".
I would just think that they have had enough of these special leaderships to do a better job of explaining that if that was what they meant.
The problem overall is extremely vague wording and inconsistent wording on the sps. When a character has an sp that says "character x can use y" you use y's power description from the PAC and apply any changes specified in the wording of the power.
If "any" in this instance means any Kree on the map, I'm fine with that but as it's written there isn't anything that specifies overriding the adjacency clause in leadership.
If they meant a more expensive adjacent Kree then shouldn't they have said that? Something like "A character with the Kree keyword regardless of point value"?
"any" is definitely ambiguous.
If it were my decision to make in a tourney setting (without any further clarification from WK GD) I would rule as above because of a similar Thanos from the same set where they were explicit in saying anywhere on the map...
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THE BLACK ORDER OBEYS: Thanos can use Leadership. When he does and succeeds, he may remove the action token from any character with the Black Order keyword anywhere on the map.
Bear in mind the rule from the Rulebook on p. 9 makes a ruling heavily dependent on the judges interpretation of "any"
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Special powers that alter the way in which a standard power works only alter the standard power by the specified effects. All other restrictions and conditions set by the standard power are still in effect for the use of that power.
Also I have heard rumors that there was a similar ruling made with Nitro. If I had a link I would post it.
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So as an update my question on the rules forum was answered. He may remove tokens from any Kree on the map regardless of range or adjacency. Which begs the question, why? It must be that "any" overrides these things but I was not given a reason as to why.
Typically when a power says 'any friendly character' it means 'any friendly character'. If it said 'any adjacent Kree regardless of point value' it'd be focused on ignoring the point value.
Usually if they want to restrict something, they'll say it. If it says something like 'any friendly character' and doesn't mention adjacency or anything, take it from anywhere on the board.
But that's not how special powers, per the rulebook, are supposed to work. We aren't supposed to have to infer things from powers. Nor are we supposed to read for restrictions. Special powers function precisely as the power they grant are worded in the PAC with the addition of any special clauses.
I'm not trying to argue with you, or anyone. I have the ruling and I'll abide by it. But it is just another example of vaguely worded sps that do not follow precedents set before them.
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This ruling makes no sense to me given past precedents and characters like Thanos in the same set. Characters who can remove tokens via Leadership ANYWHERE on the map tend to say that in the description of the power. My thinking is this power is still bound by the laws of Leadership when it comes to being adjacent. But what the hell do I know.
This ruling makes no sense to me given past precedents and characters like Thanos in the same set. Characters who can remove tokens via Leadership ANYWHERE on the map tend to say that in the description of the power. My thinking is this power is still bound by the laws of Leadership when it comes to being adjacent. But what the hell do I know.
It doesn't fit with precedent, but it feels like that was the intent.
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