I know how it used to work.

It was more complex, perhaps, but I knew it.

But now, when do you check powers to determine whether knockback happens?

Before? After? Both? Depends?

In all of these cases, assume the attacker hits, does damage, and should do knockback.

Example 1: Target had charge but the damage clicks them to a vanilla dial.

Example 2: Target had CR but the damage clicks them to a vanilla dial.

Example 3: Target had a vanilla dial but the damage clicks them to charge.

Example 4: Target had a vanilla dial but the damage clicks them to CR.

Example 5: Target was or but damage clicks them to being .

Example 6: Target was but damage clicks them to being or .

Is it simply a matter of either/or? If something makes them immune/ignore knockback before or after damage is dealt then they are not knocked back?

This became a discussion last night and after people started weighing in with different answers I began to doubt myself.

From the 2014 rulebook, which is the most current until the 2017 edition comes out later this year:

What Arkaik quoted is pretty much it. You check for knock back immunity before damage is dealt. If we break it down using your examples it would be:

1: Character doesn't take knock back
2. Character doesn't take knock back
3: Character takes knock back
4: Character takes knock back
5: Character doesn't take knock back
6: Character takes knock back.

Okay, so it's just before.

This is what I thought, but I think old CR got people confused and then those people got me confused.

And I know that old CR didn't prevent KB, but for characters that were getting knocked back having it after they took damage was the important thing.

Anyway, thanks for the time.

For 5 and 6, the better answer is it depends on the size of the attacker. Great Size no longer prevents knockback, the attacker simply needs to be the same size or larger.

Good point. It comes up so rarely, I had completely forgotten that a single base or could be knocked back by a figure the same size or bigger.

Sort of

The KB effect is triggered when Doubles are Rolled.

Rulebook p. 10

When a player rolls doubles on a successful attack roll, the target is knocked back after any damage taken from the attack is applied.

That is the way it has always been. The rules have just been confusing and so unnecessary clarifications have been issued on certain powers.

Right, but there was a lot of disagreement that came up regarding a particular scenario.

Target Man-Thing, hit with a roll of doubles.
The damage dealt knocks Man-Thing to his stop click and he is now a giant. Does he get knocked back?

Answer is yes.

Target whoever. Hit with doubles. The damage knocks them onto CR. Do they get knocked back? Answer is yes.

Some people were arguing that CR comes into play after, and it used to because what it did was make someone immune to KB damage (along with allowing the character to choose to be knocked with any attack).
They were just mixing the old (it "mattered" after) with the new (ignores knock back).

That just got me to questioning myself and so I came here to get everything cleared up.