And I second that motion.
-Sincerely, Crystal Pepsi.

I'm sad to hear this latest load of BS, but I quit reading Spiderman, and Marvel comics in general when they turned Gwen Stacy into Norman Osbournes #####.

Joey Q. is a bag of ###.

Peter Parker is Donnie Darko?

So a married character no longer being married isn't progressive? No one has ever stopped married? Go talk to someone who was married and is now single, they won't tell you are regressiving, just moving on to something else. If ending a marriage is the end of a character progression, what was the point in keeping him going after he got married? Its no different then Peter unmasking. It ends on part of his character but then gives them new places to go. Peter hasn't really been single since he was teenager.

As for Mephisto - you could say that about every story (comics, novels, films etc...) that involves the devil.

And what if the affect is to end it? The same argument was made when Gwen died. I'm not the biggest fan of how the marriage is ending, but the fact that its ending is just another progression for the charater.

And if its bad, its bad. But we don't know how its going to play out yet. Besides - maybe May will die and they'll stay married.

JMS has stated he wanted his name taken off OMD

Peter's marriage ending would indeed be progressing his character.
On the othe rhand, Peter's marriage magicked away into nothingnes so that he never was married in the first place: clearly character regression.

Seriously, Quesada has been quite vocal about this: he is undoing something that he thinks was a mistake. H is reverting Peter to a previous status quo (also, Aunt May will magickally forget he is Spider-Man, double character regression). Clearly nothing new or progressive is being done here.

Congratulations, you've achieved a new state of idiotic behavior. As I WAS married, and am now divorced, yes, I think I can safely state this. (And hey, maybe before casting aspersions like that, you should CHECK A PERSON'S PROFILE FIRST.)

However, I worked through a divorce lawyer and went through a rather painful process. I didn't have the Devil show up and "woosh it all away" so that it NEVER HAPPENED.

Where's the growth in that? You can't have grown as a character, you never EXPERIENCED ANYTHING IN THE FIRST PLACE. In fact, your character growth from being married and all that has just been wiped away by editorial fiat ERRR Mephisto's magic.

I think this a concurring problem with Marvel and in the case of Red Hood, DC.


Coming up with magic ways of resetting everything is just lazy storytelling. I don't mind (personally) that Peter is getting a reset. But at least have the stones to kill of Mary Jane, divorce her, or separate her in some meaningful manner.

It's how it's being done. It's garbage. And it's Joe Q's imposed will. And now JMS has gone on record and said as such.

Malakim said it so much better than I ever could so I'll echo the sentiment. Just erasing the past doesn't mean anything if our character doesn't remember. That doesn't mean they'll do something later on to correct this...in fact it always seems that any mistakes are always left a way out. And I believe this is an epidemic of a bigger problem. Nothing is ever "over". So are you missing something? Ultimately, no. So what's the point.


Sorry. Tangent.

And you missed my point. My point is, you didn't just regress in your development as a human being back to what yo were before you got married, jus tlike not being married will regress Peter. They said Peter would have a vague memory of what happened (and hes teammates with Strange.........) and there are then new places to go with a single, adult Peter.

I agree, and like I said I'm not really a fan of how its being done, but I don't mind the change itself. And I'm willing to see how it turns out before I completely and totally bash it. If Strange restores Peters memory in the first issue after one more day, and Peter does remember but MJ doesn't, and he can't get her back.... thats not bad.

It's regression, it's not regression, it's a slice of key lime pie. Who gives a rip? The point is that poofing away the marriage wins the Lamest idea of the Year Award. And considering Civil War/Initiative, WWH's ending, 52/Countdown, etc., etc., you can see that it was a pretty tough competition this year. But somehow, JMS and Joey Q. pounded those extra bottles of Yukon Jack and Mad Dog 20/20, ate those extra 30 pounds of Krispy Kremes and excreted this steaming pile of drek at the last possible moment to win top honors for being LAME. Congrats gents! Just stay downwind, please.

Oh, and by the by, Return of the King was a much better film than Return of the Jedi. Sly Snoodles and Ewoks beating the Empire kind of completely ruined Jedi for me. Don't get me wrong. I've been a Star Wars fan for 30 years, but the truth is still the truth. The Star Wars cycle is much better if you just watch Revenge of the Sith, Star Wars and then Empire, ignoring the rest. That's a good story right there. Add in anything else - other than the Clone Wars cartoons - and you just start to circle the drain realy quickly.

I find it amusing that Joey Q and Mephisto share the same motivation to split up Spidey & MJ. Its like he's comparing himself with the Devil...

No, they didn't say that at all.

If you want to watch a gloried hiking trip and call it an epic movie, go for it. I'll stick with the movies that had some action and adventure in them and didn't put me to sleep for 3 hours with 1/2 on hour of excitment at the end.

"You will not consciously rememer this bargain, or this moment, or the life yo lived to this point. But there will be a very smal part of your soul that will remember what will know what you lost."

There will be a vague memory. He wouldn't completely erease their marriage, that doesn't torrment Peter at all, and thats Mephisto's goal.

And because there will be a vague memory, I could very easly see them having Strange restore Peters memory, which would make the story and the affects much better.

No memory.