A couple questions for clarification...

Mounted charge says "In these cases, the mount or the rider may use any single special ability it possesses that requires the kind of action given when it resolves the action."

Since this says any SINGLE special ability, would that stop you from using other special abilities if you use C/MC, like Weaponsmaster, smite, or impale?

Also, I guess any rider could use Thunder Javelin, could also use the B/MB combo. Would that rider be able to use either or both optional Javelin abilities on both the MB and B portions of the attack?

Thanks in advance

Impale isn't a special ability, its a proficiency. Also, you can use an unlimited number of special abilities but only one that requires a close combat action.

Can one also target the same figure with MC/C ?

If you had Magus Tivon on Firecat, could you give an overwatch token to each on one turn (now that they are considered separate units), and neither action is specific to a cavalry unit? If so, each unit gets a token, but how would this affect the cavalry unit? Since the cavalry unit didn't receive an action token, could it then get one on that same turn? Could you shoot with both as you resolve their overwatch actions during your command phase, then push the cavalry unit to mounted bound? Ugh, this is ugly.

If you can, then it is only because you were not in base contact when you declard charge.

And since you declare both charge and mounted charge at the same time, just resolve them seperately, you are never in base contact when you declare charge.

both charge and mounted charge says " as long as your not in base contact". to use the 2nd charge you are in base. this still makes no scene to me. i know that wizkids say this is legal. but buy there own words it contradicts it self. the should have came up with a new color and called it something like"double charge".

two doges -
when I first read the ruling a couple of weeks ago, I agreed. Then Sigmazero pointed out what I was missing. Because the Charge/Mounted Charge "triggers" simultaneously, you are not actually in base contact with anyone when the second Charge commences because it has already begun. Does that make sense? You are in base NOW, but you were not in base when the action began, so it over-rides no existing mechanic.
Tal

yes it dose. thanks

O.k I understand that this can be done and have done it many o time, but i still dont know how it works.

I get the "they trigger at the same time" thing, but if both MC and Charge trigger when i am not in base at the beging of my action, then I should move my full speed (per charge and MC) then attack twice, resolving the charge and the MC.


I dont understand how in essence i can double my speed, since if i can use my full speed again after the first attack that would mean that charge is activated while in base contact. SInce both say to move up to your full speed.

I just feel we are pick and choosing what part of what action we are using. i.e. Okay I'm activating this ability now, but not using it till later.

So why cant I say : O.k. I'm going to surge and use WM, but i loose WM after my click from surge.....BUT I activated it before so I should still be able to use it.


I guess the game physics on this elude me.

Wait, we can now use c\mc to attack the same figure twice?
How and why is this possible?

You don't resolve half of both, then the rest of each one seperately.

Here is how you do it:

1) Pay the cost and fulfil the requirements of both Mounted Charge and Charge.

2) Observe that they cannot resolve simultaneously, so pick one to resolve first. I choose... Charge.

3) Follow the *entire* resolution of Charge. This is both the movement *and* the close combat attack. (both resolved using the dial of the figure with the Charge ability.)

4) Now follow the *entire* resolution of Mounted Charge. This is both the movement *and* the close combat attack. (resolved according to the rules of Mounted Charge, which means the Mount's dial must be used for the movement, but I can choose either the Mount or the Rider's dial to resolve the close combat attack with.)

Surge has always been worded very poorly.
Every time a new FAQ comes out, I hope that they've rewritten it.

Now that everyone is used to the wording of Mounted Charge and Mounted Bound, they should rewrite Surge to be similar.

ok shawshank, i will sing sweet home alabama during my command phase :D itll confuse and annoy the hell out of my opponent :D

There's just a couple of things I'd like to ask.
Suppose I used the MC/C combo and my first target is an fig with Counterattack and I miss, ok?

First, do the counterattacking warrior choose if it'll strike the Mount or the Rider? Or must it counterattack the dial I used?

Second, if i used MC in the first attack and the counterattack makes my mount loose Charge can I still use the second Charge, in this case do I use the mounts new speed value? (if I can't use it then suppose the first was the charge attack and the MC is the second).