I'm already over House of M and One More Day. I assume that these two huge movements are what people hate about him. The good thing is that he has put solid writers on both titles to make sure that the quality after is good. Spider-Man starting Brand New Day has been fantastic and The X-Titles are very good now too.

On the other hand, DC has been so so since Batman went back in time, Superman moved home and Wonder Woman found pants. I guarantee that Paul Levitz didn't just "step down" to become a writer again, more heads will roll in the future of DC. We can only hope that it's Didio's head.

That's basically it for me. Marvel characters seem more real and relate-able than those in the DC universe. Marvel has done a lot to ruin classic characters lately, but DC did that ages ago. With Marvel you can feel like less powerful characters such as Spider-Man or mutants that don't have high-level powers can be significant and import in the Marvel world. From a recent story point of view Marvel has chopped up the mutant population, made people into jerks that shouldn't have been, had Spider-Man make a deal with the devil that didn't even make sense, and confused the heck out of everything. I think they were better in the past for the most part.

With DC everyone basically needs to be Superman to matter. The characters with little to no powers have little to no impact, save Batman. And of course Batman can face an enemy way out of his league like Darksied or something one week and come up with a way to barely get the upper hand. But the next week he has trouble with Scarecrow or someone who should be a pushover. It's like, how does a guy like the Green Arrow even do anything other than archery contests? Shouldn't all those Flashes be able to take care of all the minor crime themselves? lol. I just think that DC suffers from too much inconsistency and shallowness. Plus so many of the villains are just boring and plain. I really like Green Lantern and Batman but you can keep the rest.

I collect Marvel because I grew up on Marvel comics. Collecting and playing Heroclix is (somehow) a way to reconnect with what was fun and lost in my childhood. Back in the day, there really was a difference in the writing and characterization between the two companies. I'm not sure that's so true now.

Early on, I made the decision to be a Marvel completist and completely forgo collecting DC. This was initially done for finances, but has also been good for my sanity too. To date, I have only a handful of DC figs, but am proceeding nicely in my goal to own the entire Marvel universe in clix. This makes me very happy.

I love DC, Marvel, and indy books. If it's a really good book, I'll probably want to read it regardless of which company is the publisher.

Another moderator/administrator decided to play "Three Thread Monte".

Obviously. I just don't see any justification to place this thread here. Nobody seems to be talking about comics.

If Superman sold his marriage to Neron to save Ma Kent, you think that would not be controversial? Ha! Right.

I've had brief periods in my long comic-reading history in which I only bought one or the other exclusively. I might have thrown out the "H" word in frustration at those times, I confess. I'm old enough to recognize that things change, though. Stuff I hate and stuff I love comes and goes at both companies. More of each will surely be on the horizon

No. It would be recognized as terrible writing, but it wouldn't be controversial.

I'm not saying DC is bad, because I don't think it is. It's just that you can't care about Superman and Batman (Or even the B-list characters) in the same way you can for Spider-Man. Once the entire universe has been reset, and you're aware it will happen again, nothing really matters all that much. With Spidey, everything that has happened since the 60's is considered real, and things that happen today potentially can have influence on him in 40 years. That's why it was a big deal when the writers rewrote a big part of Spider-Man's life.

I'll stick with the DC books that are off in their own area:

R.E.B.E.L.S. and LoSH.

Both are off in areas untouched by DC proper (other than the occasional cameo) and involve characters I enjoy. Otherwise, I don't read anything. Pretty much all DC books should be their own entity, because Superman and the Flashes far outshine everyone else in terms of straight up ability.

They should be able to handle 90% of all crime ALONE, and Bats and Co. should be out finding embezzlers, tax evaders and other "under the radar" crime.

The current setup just seems illogical.

Not
To bag on you..or VGA or any Marvel fan but this argument is always brought up and....well I don't see how this is a valid argument.


So let's say Spiderman hadn't made that deal with Mephisto. Ok. SO then he's clearly a relatable character to his fanbase yes?
Spider Powers aside he's got a model for a wife. He's a science professor. A Successful photojournalist and...oh yeah..he has connections to the rest of the Superhero Community.

I Don't know about the rest of you but I can totally relate to an Awkward Teenager in the 1960s who grew up into a Successful swan with a Hot Model for a wife. I totally can relate.

Wolverine:....Just because he's "gritty" and "Dark" and has been for a long time does not make more realistic nor does it make him more "Realistic"

The Fantastic Four...Marvel's First Family...as far as I can tell the only realistic version we've had of them is the Venture Brothers Parody because it shows how Reed/Richard would act if he were acting realistically

Captain America; Again a Charles Atlas Story. I ccan't relate. I love My Country. I'd be against the registration. He's a symbol But inherent in being a symbol is not being related to. He's an unattainable idea that we aspire to be like.

Hulk: The want of being able just to let loose. Despite how much of us enjoy the concept of just letting go and tearing apart people with our bear hands this is not realistic. I think the real appeal of the Hulk Since his anger triggered it was the belief that people who get picked on would be able to get their revenge. That and they'd have no responsibility for the actions they wished to commit on those who wronged them.



I don't know just some thoughts on Marvel Characters.

Sure Superman is superman but what he does bring up, and I think its very important: Is what makes a man. Is it how he is raised or is it his genetics?
If a monkey were to stand up and say "I am awares. And For YOUR Convenience I speak english. The way you treat animals is atrocious and I'm here to tell you why". Would you consider him as an intelligent and aware being worthy of having the same rights as that of a human? So to for Aliens.


Batman....yeah I'm in the Anti-bat God boat. I like Batman well enough but...bah He hasn't been relate able to me ever. Well the Animated one was. His conversation with Ace about being alone and not having a childhood really resonated with me.

Of course all characterizations vary from writer to writer and as such its hard to nail down one character type however I believe my observations are of the characters as a whole of their own fictional history.

That's only if you care about the allmighty continuity a whole lot more than about the stories and characters.

And if you haven't been paying attention to the massive hickups in Marvel continuity over the years. It takes a special kind of willful blindness to take all of pre-One More Day Spider-Man and fit it all into some sort of continuity that makes sense as a story.

The guy asked. I answered. No need to be a Grayson about it, pal.

Yep. Peter Parker could croak tomorrow and I'd never miss him. But those post-Crisis years when the JSA was in limbo (or fighting Ragnarok or whatever)? I was pissed.