But Doesn't P/PB require a Ranged Combat Action? therefore not eligible for this combo? Similar to how it can't be used with HSS.

P/PB does require a ranged combat action, but results in a ranged combat attack.

The difference between Concentrate SP and HSS is that HSS is actually giving you an attack, Concentrate SP just affects targeting (range and LoF) for any ranged combat attacks you might make for the rest of the turn.

It's not the same at all. When someone uses PsyBlast, he is making a ranged combat attack. That's all you need to be doing here.

All close/ranged combat actions result in close/ranged combat attacks.
All close/ranged combat attacks don't necessarily come from close/ranged combat actions.

Thanks Harpua. I've been meaning to clarify that for my play group.

Can he use pulse wave on a character that was "tagged" by an astral?

Good question...my ruling would be that Dr. Strange would have to use PW normally and then the chosen figure would get caught in with the rest.

By "use PW normally", I assume you mean that there would need to be an opposing character within PW-adjusted range for the attack to naturally occur on. I thought that the last time this came up, it was ruled otherwise. Sure, you could read:

At least one opposing character must have a line of fire drawn to it to activate this power.

as meaning that he must have a "natural" target (one he draws LoF to), but then:

All game effects possessed or used by other characters with a line of fire drawn to them are ignored until the action has been resolved.

would mean that the "marked" figure isn't having his powers ignored! Worse:

...and compare the attack total to the defense value of all other characters with a line of fire drawn to it; each character hit is dealt damage.

Would mean that the "marked" figure isn't going to take any damage!

So, I thought the ruling was that "marking" removed the line of fire requirement for any power that would otherwise require a line of fire, used under the auspices of the marked character. Thus, no "natural" target was required.

I'll see if I can find that thread.

Here's the thread.

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=372646

Ok, I just skimmed through that thread looking at orange posts.

I didn't really see anything that contradicts what I said.



That said, I'm now going to reverse what I said earlier and say that I believe he can't PW the guy through Astral Dr. Strange at all.

I'm basing this on Agent Coulson Vs. PW.

There are three times when he can draw LoF to the chosen figure.
- When making an attack
- When using Outwit
- When using Perplex

The way PW works is that you draw LoF to figures to determine who will be a target of the attack. Then you ignore their stuff. Then you make the attack against those figures.

That first LoF is not an attack. That is why you are able to target Agent Coulson with Pulse Wave.
Since that LoF is not from an attack (nor Outwit or Perplex), then it cannot be drawn through the projection.
Since no "up front" line of fire was drawn to the figure through the projection, when the attack happens, the chosen figure would not be targeted.

This turn, Dr. Strange can target that character regardless of range, squares, or line of fire when making a ranged combat attack or using Outwit or Perplex.

Dr. Strange does not need to draw LoF to the character to target him with a ranged combat attack, so the fact that he can't draw the original LoF for the PW is irrelevant. He is making a ranged combat attack and in fact must target the character that was tagged by the Astral if he uses PW.

Now, maybe the targets powers won't be ignored since no LoF was drawn, but he will surely be attacked, because Dr. Strange is making a ranged combat attack.

You don't draw LOF through the Projection anyway, it's more like marking him with a homing beacon...

I may not have phrased it in the best possible way, but the point I was making was that PW requires you to draw that first LoF to a figure. If you don't do that, the figure isn't going to be attacked.

I know, and agree. And I know you know how this works. But there's a persistent tendency to treat this like a variation on Prof X's ICWC power: I think between us Suttkus and I have posted "no, it works like this" explanations a dozen times at least. I don't want someone pointing at your post as "proof" that Strange takes the shot "through" the Astral.

The LoF is irrelevant here. PW results in a ranged combat attack. Strange's power says: "can target that character regardless of -- line of fire when making a ranged combat attack"

We know that in this game "can" means "must". Strange is making a ranged combat attack with PW. Therefore he must target a character tagged by the astral.

The power does not allow Strange to automatically draw LoF to the tagged character. It allows him to target that character regardless of LoF. So, the LoF dependant stuff of PW will not happen, but the ranged combat attack will still target the tagged character.

yes, but it allows him to target that character regardless of LOF for specific purposes: Outwit, Perplex and a ranged attack. And when you give him the RCA to use PW, and you start drawing LOF to determine what figures have their powers ignored etc, you aren't doing the things that allow him to ignore the need for LOF. So those things can't happen.