Hmm, going to make a token for this. Made to put in to a coin cover. Then you can flip it at the start of your turn on her card. If you forget to flip it, then you're stuck with the power it's on, no picking the power of convenience at the time of attack.

This is absolutely the best perspective concerning judging. I've grown extremely frustrated in other miniature tournaments (Warhammer, Warmachine, etc) with playing against opponents who rely on judges and even other players to coach them along during competitive gaming.

I'm so glad they recorded this match so we can see documented proof of "cheating" instead of the obligatory, "the winner cheated" threads we usually see after every major con.

Passive Judging in the final match is such BS. Why even bother paying to have those guys travel to Gencon?

So theoritically the final match is being played and watched by the Rules Arbiter and 4 deputees-

Player one needs a 7 roll to hit the opponent, rolls a 6 and says "i Hit' and the opponent clicks his figures.

Player 2 needs an 8 to hit, rolls a 7 and says 'I hit' and player 1 takes damage...


So if 2 players made it into the finals and wanted to demonstrate just how silly passive judging was at this level of competetion- just to prove a point, they could roll dice all day, ignore the results, take shots that are out of your character's range, use Running Shot along with RCE... and not a single Judge would utter a word the entire match?

Absolutely rediculious, IMO.

It would have been a shame to get another Black Adam.

I don't get the parsing of actions over this one game. Who are you people?

I've played in thousands of games and there are mistakes all the time. Sometimes minor, sometimes major. Even games I feel like went off without a hitch may have an error on them since I don't tape my games and then have thousands of people critique the game.

I think its a much more interesting conversation on the choices made during the game, the strategies involved rather than the constant rewinding, turning up the volume, trying to get an a-ha! moment.

For me strategy > technicalities

Sure, technically x could have said, "well you didn't saaayyy..." but I stand my the belief that if that is how you have to win there is a good reason you weren't playing in that final game.

What I liked about watching the game is it looked like a game that could be played at any store. THAT is good for the game and for Worlds. Making it look like a hostile environment where you better be careful or else would just detract from the interest.

Who knows, maybe those of us critical of Georges last World's game got into his head when he made sure his opponent went through with a mistake so he could catch him in it.

Maybe it was just a slip-up from being so tired from playing 3 rounds of intense games.

Maybe they both thought he did say it since he had said it before and neither Harry Leland nor Black Adam (off his first click) had the ability to make a ranged attack.

Maybe its over and done with and its time to move on.

I just know if I am ever blessed to play and win at Gen Con, I'm dropping off this site.

Yeesh...

That would be obvious cheating. If any player was every dumb enough to try that while I am sitting there and watching their game, I wouldn't hesitate to DQ them.

Since it's not an optional ability, if a player notices, and doesn't notify their opponent, is that considered cheating?

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So I understand that, but how would you go about proving the opposing player purposefully didn't remind his opponent to the point of DQ? I hate to beat a dead horse hear, and I respect you taking the time to answer these questions...but for a competitive player this is a very fine line especially when playing at a convention with a lot on the line.

There's just so many things that can happen at the beginning of the turn, and to be perfectly honest when my opponent begins there turn I'm thinking of my next. I'm not saying I'd ever purposefully do such a thing, but it is a lot for me to memorize my powers and remind my opponents of theres.

And for everyone else bashing the passive judging, I love it. As a player before I take an action or do ANYTHING that I'm not sure of it's legality I would simply ask the judge. If you want judge involvement then make them a factor in the game, they won't play the game for you though.

All that right there is why I can't give you a specific answer.

Maybe I can't proove it at all... and they just get away with it (if, in fact, they even were cheating).

Maybe they say "Boy you really should have declared X! I was hoping your wouldn't and now you are going to pay for it!" And then they'd be told why that is not how to play. And if they did it again later, I would DQ them.

Or maybe it is something more subtle and a lot of little clues all add up to cheating.

You can't really say for sure. It is one of the reasons judges are there... to keep an out for stuff.

Okay, thanks for the response. It is nice to know if I play the game my way, where I'm focusing on my stuff, there's slim chance to be DQ'd. If what happened with Alex happened with me and I was too busy in thought I would most likely make the point of it and then thereafter remind him. every turn.

Spoken like someone who has stated publicly he wouldn't go to cons unless they came closer to the east coast, and then couldn't make it out to Jersey when one did.

Ridiculous indeed.

What are you talking about? Please point to me where I said I'd go to a con if it were closer. I live in PA and went to Dragon Con last year to play (a 14 hr ride- the same distance to Indiana for me). I was going to go to Gencon but I got married the week before and had other commitments planned.

I was at Dexcon last year as well.

Maybe check that you know who you are attributing quotes to before attacking someone personally, yes?

I understanding the not defaulting, but can you retcon, things if both players agree to it, it happens often at my venue that there an obvious single attack that could of being perplexed and has been every turn except this one, after declaring the attack and rolling to hit could he/she say on this other figure perplexes up my attack or something?
At my venue usually we let it slide because we're there for fun.

Consistency isn't really your thing, is it?
Did someone actually post that, or are you just making that up? Because either way, it's not even close to accurate. There was the Rules Arbitrator and one Rules Deputy watching that match. Harpua and I were running other games while that started, and Quebbster was on the opposite side of the world.
Normalview arleady covered this pretty well, so I'll just point reiterate that there is a difference between a misplay and cheating. Usually it's hard to prove intent, but if you're going to use ludicrous examples like that, establishing deliberate disregard for the rules isn't going to be difficult.And if anyone can tell you the proper procedure for attacking someone personally, it's krusticlese!