god, what do you guys want to see? a 17 attack, 36defense and 42" range stats for a unit to be "playable"?

@broodwich...

I think you are mistaking our discussion for flaming. I'm not angry at him, have no malice toward him (or anyone), and was just discussing why I think both units are a bad joke.

@ grisha...

See above.

@ Sylvain...

See above above.

@ SQPQ...

Niche units in unimportant niches are junk units. But since everyone thinks we're flaming each other, I guess we gotta kiss and make up now. Ugh. ;)

How about a handshake?

Milkshake?

Better yet, a beer. Afterward, we can go around and throw the bottles at roadsigns and make jokes about 4" ranged ballistic attacks. :)

Sir_QuidProQuo's statement that he is a "real player", thus
implying that the other posters to this thread aren't, kind of
left him wide open for that reply. :rolleyes:

That said, I'm not getting into this debate - one way or the other.
Different folks have different play styles and unit preferences that
suit those play styles. That's part of the fun! :)

Even though I see these units as viable in a local environment (unless the local scene is uber competitive), that 4" ballistic attack is ten flavors of bewilderment.

@ everyone

Sorry if my posts seemed like flames, (I don't think they were, but hey). I was just discussing the usability of a couple units WK intends to put into $10 booster packs and sell to people. If you do not like what I have to say, please put me on your ignore list. Grisha71 is the first person to make mine.

As for the topic, these units just aren't worth their points when compared to existing units (my opinion). I expect a new unit to be comparable to an existing unit in it's point class. These don't fit that bill at the moment, but it could change if/when we find out about the Falcons' faction abilities.

Exactly, take a look at the Liao pieces from Counterassault (not Liao Incursion, they messed up on those), They're not worth their points either until you add the faction abilities. Heck, I don't even like playing elite liao units cause I have awe and I don't like the fact that it's calculated into their point cost.

Hmmm, from what we've seen of Clan Jade Falcon thus far, it looks like they'll have decent move, good targeting, good damage low defense and a glass jaw some what. Sounds like Dragon's Fury (and we know from faction wars that no one likes DF) except they won't have as much of a glass jaw since since they gain their targeting after a few click of damage instead of losing it.

People are scoffing now but I imagine that certian JF units will become staple pieces (like DF ATVs or SS Arrow IVs) and if any of their faction abilities encourage faction purity (Like liao's fanaticism) these pieces might be used often.

I know as a republic player, I wouldn't mind a 120 point mech capable of dealing 8 clicks at 12 inches with a great heat dial.

Its a mite hypocritic when they're voicing their opinions about a unit being potentially useless, and you're asking them to "shut up" about it and let others(read: posts inoffensive to your sensibilities) post. Sorry, but this is an example of "YOU DISAGREE WITH MY OPINION ABOUT A PARTICULAR PIECE SO I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU LALALALA!" This is their frank opinion about a piece and as such, they have every right to say anything they like about it.

Granted, you're not here to flame them, but i don't think its your job to moderate what they say either. When you speak of others being relatively new to the game, they've posted their experiences about various unit uses before. Granted that learning from your own experiences might be a choice, but they offer the alternative to benefit from THEIR experience. Plus, WK doesn't impress me much with the way they're handling things either, but the individuals in question have continued to support the game, despite their difference in opinion.

They've made their points. So have you. So have I.

Cheers.
mort :classic:

@ Warflail - Surat - ProtoformX

I offer my apologies.

Warflail- your post sounded harsh, but as I said I am relatively new here. Don't read much and post less. I appreciate the view of long standing competative (read non-faction pure) players on the abilities of certain pieces. Just as my criticism wasn't easy for you to read, it is difficult for me to think, "hey I might use that piece," only to have someone totally dump on it.

I don't play on a regular schedule, so I am still forming my core strategys. Mostly I see the dice as the deciding factor.

If someone would pass my apologies along to ProtoformX (since I am now ignored) I would appreciate it.

Can't edit---

@ Mort - The quote from Shrek was my lame attempt to be funny at 11:00 at night. It was buried by my hypocritical rhetoric. Point taken.

:)

well.. we know DF isn't getting the green panther. this is good news to see..

here is hoping that DF still has a chance of getting one of the vets, or the elite. :) i seriously hope they get the ellite. the panther -is- a kurita mech after all. ;)

No Grish, you're right about Warflail. His posts typically are needlessly harsh. But hey.

I think the Panther rocks. The game doesn't operate in a vacuum. It's just as easy for you to set up the first shot with your 12" Pulse 'Mech as it is for your opponent to set up first shot with his charging 'Mech or VTOL. Semi-competitive, the Panther's one I'll field any day of the week and do well with.

The tank I'm lukewarm on, but everything has its uses. Problem is, you need to find a new way to look at things sometimes. Things are never as bad as Warflail makes 'em seem. I've learned that in my time here.

Well, im still happy my Highlander pieces can hit something!!
lol

Twig

I reckon that the Panther will be a surprise piece and if used propperly it will be very useful. No doubt about it. For a 120 points, I dont think there are better damage to point values in the game (possible 8 damage!!) sure its only 12" but a smart player will pack an SH Aesir or another heavy hitting Anti VTOL tank. Just my 2 cents.