Hey all,

Just wanted to share this here since it's the place to talk about the new Skirmish rules. It's just a printout to help you figure out the random starting areas. I was about to create a plastic overlay for my maps but decided that this was cheaper and more easily reproducible.

What it looks like:

• On the board.
• Closer look on the board.
• The four parts that make it.

The File: Skirmish Board

Enjoy,
MadWuher

That technically causes serious problems with scoring, as it lets you score points beyond the number of clicks a character has. The reason the rule is per damaged clicked is to prevent racking up points from overkilling. Bystanders just need a specific rule that they award 1 point when KO'd.

Yeah, it becomes pretty obvious once you start playing this format that the first player has a significant advantage even without having a bonus round. Having "first player" pass around helps, but even then, this is something I'm not sure there's actually a good fix for.

Yeah, this goes back to my point in my original post about how very cheap characters can be used to manipulate the format. However, that kind of thing is just part of playing games, and I don't think it's actually going to be an issue. A play group may want to discourage that kind of thing, but it's not actually problematic mechanically, and I don't think it's something the rules need to be concerned with.

It does feel odd, but honestly, there's not really a clean way to implement it. Allowing points to be scored while it's not your turn might cause some issues to pop up. Additionally, if we start making exceptions for certain things scoring points, then it would logically need to extend to things like critical misses, and pretty much any other game effect that causes damage outside of your own turn. It gets messy.

It's also important to remember that game effects in Skirmish don't need to be exactly as good as they are in the normal game. Some things get better, some things get worse. That's part of the point of the format.

At my event, one player was running a Grim Reaper team (along with Barbatos).

Their trait gets pretty bonkers in Skirmish, as it lets you rack up points pretty quickly (especially when you've got like 3 or more triggering on every attack). In the normal game, it's extremely mediocre, at best.

Healing in general isn't nearly as good. Generally, if you're using an action to heal, you're basically just going to be feeding your opponent points.

For reference, I ran my event as 300pt. Modern, with a 100pt. per character limit. Here's a list of teams people brought.

Force Build 11983143 0
Set	#	Name	Team	Pts	Value
WKM	M17-004	Havok		50	SELL
WKM	M17-006	Banshee		50	SELL
WKM	M17-014	Longshot		55	SELL
WKM	M19-001	Negasonic Teenage Warhead		40	SELL
XXS	001	Cyclops		50	SELL
XXS	039	Sprite		50	SELL
Force Total:				295	$0.00

Force Build 11983143 1
Set	#	Name	Team	Pts	Value
WCR	105	Archangel		100	SELL
WKM	M19-014	Rogue		100	SELL
WKM	M19-015	Phoenix		100	SELL
Force Total:				300	$0.00

Force Build 11983143 2
Set	#	Name	Team	Pts	Value
UND	007	Grim Reaper		60	SELL
UND	007	Grim Reaper		60	SELL
UND	016	Death		80	SELL
RE	068E	Barbatos		100	SELL
Force Total:				300	$0.00

Force Build 11983143 3
Set	#	Name	Team	Pts	Value
WKM	F18-001	Hulk		100	SELL
ABPI	043	Captain America		95	SELL
TMT	017	Thor		100	SELL
Force Total:				295	$0.00

Force Build 11983143 4
Set	#	Name	Team	Pts	Value
TMT	050	Loki, Agent of Asgard		60	SELL
SWB	055	Dino-Thor		90	SELL
SWB	054	Big Boss Hill		85	SELL
WCR	104	Moonstar		65	SELL
Force Total:				300	$0.00

I was playing this-

Force Build 11983143 5
Set	#	Name	Team	Pts	Value
RE	043E	Lady Vic		50	SELL
HQ	005	Catman		50	SELL
HQ	006	Knockout		50	SELL
HQ	021	Scandal Savage		50	SELL
HQ	039	Jeanette		50	SELL
HQ	054E	King Shark		50	SELL
Force Total:				300	$0.00

I won pretty handily against the Asgardians, the 3 X-Men, and the Death team. Every game, I had at least one turn where my opponent was completely tokened up, and I still had 2-3 clear characters. It was basically impossible for anyone to come back against that. Turns out, a team of 50pt. characters that can easily dish out 6+ damage a turn is pretty good in a format where you don't have to chase your opponents down.

That's a super elegant solution, especially since you just lift it off when you're done with setup.


But when I went to print it, the file didn't scale right. I made sure I didn't have any scaling on before printing, but it's too small. Any idea why?

Sorry i misswrote we did 1damage taken = 1VP, meaning that if you're on your last click and i dish 6 damage you take 1 and then KO so i win 1VP

Probably the best fix is in 2 player games after first turn the first round goes to the player with the least rounds.

You're probably right even if from my point of view a little more restriction in points or number of characters on forcea goes towards funnier games

You're absolutely right

About harbinger of death i thought avout it for the event at my venue but using the 200 point format suggested by mama WK it totally lacked firepower so i opted for a Scientist theme team:

Bat-Man 100, Lady Octopus & octopus arms 50, the Flash 45 and map bonus for an iron avenger got me 3W and 1L and 3rd place and a lot of fun

I was one of the players who got to play this at Worlds and have been trying to teach people on the format. Here are my thoughts:
- The suggested format (200 points, minimum 3 characters, nobody over 150 points) is likely the best way to play this. Doing so with more points just draws the game out and makes setup take longer.
- Colossal Retaliation is an extremely powerful tool in this format. Granted, it's going to be tough to pull it off with poor starting area rolls, but it can make the score incredibly unbalanced quickly for a single turn.
- Leadership might be too good right now. Coming to a skirmish without it is basically saying "I want to lose."
- I'm really looking forward to seeing how some ignored figures will work in this format. Characters like Ambrose Chase, Starbrand, and Starro might see a lot more play because of the nature of the game mode.
- Infinite Hulk is still busted.

Thanks! It's great!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/01jismrrwf...Guide.pdf?dl=0

Alternate placement guide, using MadWuher's concept and modifying the middle hub for a paper brad unfolding design. Make sure you print actual size and not fit to page.

Maybe this isn't the best place for this request however since you guys are talking about playing with WK employees....

I have seen some people on FB or realms create clear plastic overlays with the skirmish square numbers in the right places to act as a game aid.

I wish WK could produce something whether officially or something we can print out at a FedEx office /Officemax. This would allow us to turn most open type maps into skirmish ready battlegrounds.

Great Idea! it makes the idea for an overlay kind of moot. I will definitely have the people at Officemax work on one slightly downsized to be a laminated version that fits the 3 inches for the 2 square width.

Regarding turn order, firstly, I don't think it's practical to determine it based on who will have the least rounds, as that could change with different effects changing your action total during a turn. Second, I don't see much point in 'snaking' the turn order either, at least not as a resolution to consecutive actions. If all players have the same action totals, then snaking actually causes this issue itself. And if a player has an extra action, then snaking only delays the inevitable, for an ever harder hit as that player will now have 3 actions in a row every other turn(s). And, not that it's necessarily that difficult to track, but you are adding yet another aspect to track without much, if any, gain. Just as certain characters become more or less effective with a different format or with different rules, so do Standard Powers. It's reasonable to see this as a de facto 'must have' power, and also paints the largest target on those characters.

Or, if it's really that big of an issue, make it one of the powers that gets less effective by making a rule that all players have the same Action Total, regardless of other effects. You could go the middle ground and say something like "effects that would otherwise increase your action total grant 1 extra FREE that can be used any time during your turn", but again, the question becomes is that introducing too much complexity for too little gain.

HeroClix Skirmish – Rules Update!

New Rules pdf

vs

Original Skirmish Rules pdf

Thanks for keeping on top of these updates, Slick. Beaten me to it twice now lol.

This was brought up. But we're still testing the limits of the format, so, no reason to settle in just yet.