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I had the good fortune to get to see a couple of aldabra tortoises doing the hunka chunka at the Cleveland Zoo a few years back. It was rather fascinating...slow and deliberate, but fascinating.
1) My problem with the type of animal lovers which you describe is that most of them are operating under false information that they are getting from terrible organizations like PETA.
This is exactly where I was going with what I was saying. Haven and Harpua at et cetera, etcetera.
(HCRealm's spellcheck officially sucks. It tells me that both "et cetera" and "etcetera" are misspelled, but is fine with "etc." Yes, Common (Mis)Usage is really to blame, but I choose to lay it on HCRealms. If the Mods can handle infractions in much the same manner, I should be able to get away with it.)
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4) That might be, but I'm pretty sure I actually am the only one to have read The Neverending Story.
I'm sure you're gonna wanna Nerd Flog me for this, but I've never seen the whole thing all the way through. I was in my teens when it came out, and it's really quite painful. It has some great imaginative moments, it looks really pretty, and its a well made film, but the dialogue and delivery is honestly laughable; if not uncomfortable.
BAD LPC! Don't touch that paragraph!
I never had any interest in the book.
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7) See, to me the narrative changes to the HP stuff was more detrimental. Much of what was deleted was, imo, important stuff. The end result is that the films take for granted that the audience has read the books and can fill in the gaps which were not presented.
One of the biggest examples of what I mean is in the third movie. The movie only really lets the audience know that James, Sirius, Remus, and Peter were high-school friends. It never discusses the process of the secret keeper and just how deep Peter's betrayal had been. (And that could have been covered with 10-20 seconds of extra dialog during the discussion between Harry and Sirius just before Lupin's transformation.)
There are tons of uncovered plot points dropped in the film which still play a role in the whole story and only work because the majority of the audience already knows them. That is not, imo, translating it correctly.
The points you make are valid and accurate, but I'm only talking about Sorcerer's Stone.
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9) And to me that is why they work. When I was a kid my friends and I would play Ghostbusters (or whatever). Were we sticking true to the source material? No, we were taking what was there and having fun making it our own.
Time Bandits is a great movie that follows this layout. It does not, in the process of tramping around the sandbox, trample on any beloved source material.
The Farce and the Furriest is a serious of lousy movies that also follow this layout. Seriously, have you seen the Onion interview with the director? While playing Hot Wheels or SST Racers (for the mature crash up players) these films also manage to not total any beloved source material.
I played with Kenner Star Wars figures as a child. We never stuck to the source material. That doesn't by any stretch mean that our childish and insipid storylines should have been used for any future mov. . . Oh, sorry, Lucas did that for us.
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10) I am neither a fan of the food nor the clothing descriptions. I don't really care that someone drips the juice of a honey glazed capon onto the pocket flap of his blue samite dublet. Wasted words, imo, but I while tedious I do not find it as obtrusive as the details in the Tolkien works.
I agree that the descriptions get wordy. Strangely, its the geographic descriptions that get to me. I'm okay with the clothing descriptions although they do go on. I'm often annoyed at books that introduce characters and give you NO basic descriptions. Sometimes I can't even tell if they are male or female depending on the name!
That was a short lived line of action figures from the early 80's. Characters like Cyrus Dumbwaiter the Nude Firefighter and Old Boofull the Transvestite Census Taker didn't resonate with kids.
You mentioned names. With F&I I remember when I was early into the books that I was wanting to smack GRRM for making half of the cast of characters have names with a "JOR" sound. (Jorah, Jory, Jeor, more?)
I figure it was a case of self ego stroking on GEORge's part.
BTW, I have it on good authority that GRRM doesn't wash his hands after peeing. Also, he has no qualms about doing this and then immediately going to a buffet luncheon spread where he neglects to use the tongs to grab his food.
...but I disagree that the difference makes the Hobbit better than the Lord of the Rings. It's kind of like saying that X-Wing is a better tabletop game than Twilight Imperium because it has a shorter rulebook. (Come to think of it, I do think that I'd rather play X-Wing over Twilight Imperium most of the time, but that's not the reason why.)
I love your analogy. About rule books.
I also disagree with Ignatz, but only slightly and in a different way.
The Hobbit is as it's described above.
The Silmarillion and all the Lost/Unfinished Tales stuff IS the archivist stuff. (Have you read any of this? I was such a Tolkien nut at one point that I read all of it. I enjoyed it almost not at all. I felt like it was a homework assignment I'd assigned to myself.)
LotR, in my opinion, is a pleasant mix of the two. There are times when it veers toward archivist, but that can also be a cultural/anachronistic thing. I always took it that way. There were parts when I thought, "This OLD dude from ENGLAND didn't write this for this child of the 70s/80s in the US."
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I feel like you're taking animal rights extremists as representative of all animal lovers or even just those that are against eating veal. And I think that's about as logical as thinking that because a Muslim extremist attacked the World Trade Center that all Muslims are bad, or that because a Christian extremist bombed an abortion clinic, all Christians are bad.
Personally, I choose not to eat veal and will explain why if the topic comes up. (Just like Chik-Fil-A) But I don't tell other people they're not allowed to eat it, or any of the more extreme behavior that you described.
Good point. To me, the difference is WHEN someone thinks it's time to explain or when the topic has been "brought up". And there's a difference between telling someone they aren't allowed to eat it, and doing everything short of that. "I don't eat veal because, to me, it's amoral to do so." doesn't tell anyone that they are not allowed to eat it.
Anyway, I'm fine with you not eating veal. Hell, I can totally wrap my head around the reasons that people don't eat any meat. Maybe that's exactly why I don't like it when they get all high and mighty or take any excuse to go off on the subject. But I doubt that you are like that in person. . . and while dining.
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I was going to find what I saw on wookieepedia and post the link, but it doesn't seem to exist.
As far as i can tell, what I saw and was thinking of as the "first episode" seems to be the Spark of Rebellion movie split into 2 half hour episodes, and without the scene with Vader. Going by the wiki page calling "Droids in Distress" the 1st episode, i think I've seen episodes, 1, 2, and 4-7.
I like the show for the most part. I'm not blown away by it, but it's not bad. The tone feels a lot more like the original movie than a lot of Star Wars media does. I think my favorite bit was when Canan first revealed himself and the reactions of the imperials. And at the end,when
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the stormtrooper makes the comment about "first jedi?" to Callus and he kicks him off, presumably to his death, I actually burst out laughing, then rewound to make sure that actually happened, because it was out of freakin' nowhere. I wasn't expecting them to end the episode with casually murdering a dude for humor.
Which does bring me to another point, though. There are a few scenes of them improbably taking down stormtroopers with blasters by running up and punching them, but there are other times that they pretty clearly are killing lots of dudes. I had a bit of a fridge horror moment earlier when I realized that the rebels essentially are using child soldiers to conduct often lethal attacks. (cue the Death Star discussion from Clerks.)I 'm curious if any of the material in the expanded universe has actually covered this angle by telling a story from an imperial perspecitve or anything like that.
Also, I can't for the life of me figure out what the deal is with carrying around the lightsaber in 2 pieces...
Also, I still don't get the "anime flavor" comment from a couple days ago. I have no idea if you're referring to people, the characters, the show, or the network...
Anime Flavor is a (probably) virus-ridden site where you can watch all manner of cartoons. (Ensure that your virus software is kick-ass and up to date before visiting.)
I also noticed the violence/nonviolence thing. I think that, much like BTAS, they are surfing that line as best as they can. I'm fine with seeing things happen off-screen or seeing people survive in situations where the people making the show are giving me the wink and nod that they didn't really survive. I know what they are up against. I've done presentations on "violent" media and children. There's a zealous group of people out there who make their living off of convincing parents and teachers that The Power Rangers are going to have their kids joining gangs or Columbining a school and I did what I could to bring some common sense to the dialogue. Again, another of those reasons I'm not teaching in a school anymore.
Anyway, I understand what they are doing and the constraints under which they are doing it. It almost makes me smile more when there IS unmitigated violence or death. Hmm, the anti-violence-safety-fascist moms seem to have failed utterly there.
Great point about the "tone" and "feel" that's probably what's keeping me around.
There's an EU book called Tales from the Empire. Many of the stories end up with defections to the Rebels and so forth, but they do show the "galaxy far, far, away" from a different perspective.
There's also several issues of Star Wars Tales (comic) that do the same. My favorite is Apocalypse Endor. It does its best to make Endor Vietnam and the Imperials into US soldiers. My views on 'Nam aside, I saw an interview with Lucas after Jedi came out where he said the idea of the Ewoks fighting the Empire did spring from a project he had wanted to do about Vietnam.
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I'm with Char-Vell (and I hope you know how much it pains me to say that ) in feeling that the LotR (not Hobbit) movies captured the essence of the books pretty well. I think most of the additions were unnecessary, but I thought that the Legolas/Gimli rivalry was done well, even with the stuff that wasn't right from the books. I could have done without surfing and some of the other ridiculous-looking combat feats, but that's a visual change that doesn't affect the nature of the characters. The elves at Helm's Deep were odd, but didn't ruin anything for me.
What forbidden love are you referring to, though? I don't recall anything along those lines being added to LotR (unless you're talking about the Hobbit.)
I hated The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe when I first saw the movie, because it felt like they were trying too hard to cash in on the success of the LotR movies and turn it into an epic that it wasn't supposed to be. I was also dealing with a kidney stone that night and ended up going to the ER a few hours after getting back from the theater, so I watched the movie again later to see if I liked it better when I wasn't already in pain. I decided I still didn't like it, but I didn't hate it.
I haven't seen all of the Harry Potter movies, but of the ones that I did see, I recall the changes mostly being done to streamline things and move the plot along a little faster without having to explain who all these characters are that do one thing and are never relevant again. I can live with that.
That's already been done, in case you're interested in just reading someone else doing the same thing. I've come across some ridiculous in-depth comparisons that show that some people have way too much time on their hands. (I say while debating about movies on a forum about little plastic superheroes...)
Great point about Legolas and Gimli. There's parts of that which stayed very true to the flavor of the text.
Again, I don't think EVERYTHING about the films was ruined. I LOVE the "feel" of The Shire. The visuals as well as the music is all dead-on as far as I'm concerned. I could watch that film up to Weathertop over and over and be content.
The forbidden love to which I refer is Aragorn and Arwyn and the whole "my daddy doesn't like you" thing. Elrond is, like, Aragorn's great great grand fatherunclecousinsomething. Now, let's just step around the Siegfried and Sieglinde comparisons that one could make, and just concentrate on the fact that Elrond is totally behind their betrothal. He does everything he can to help Aragorn in his quest to become king and marry Arwyn.
They had to cut out a lot of stuff that I would have liked to see (No! NOT Bombadil) and, instead, they added extra scenes dedicated to this made-up forbidden love story.
Oh, and all those amazing Spielbergian scenes during Helm's Deep of people in the caves doing nothing more than LOOKING.
Yeah, one of the big reasons that I've never gotten around to writing out a definitive explanation of my dislike of the LotR movies is that I don't have that kind of time on my hands.
Yes, I write a lot on here. But that's during times when I'm at the rink sitting and waiting or other times like that where I don't have anything better to do.
I love your shot at yourself and all of us about little plastic superheroes. It's good to keep everyone's perspective sharp.
The "logic" behind my statement is that it's possible to for someone to say, "Hey, if we go down this slippery slope, it's going to suck." and have everyone think he's just paranoid. There may come a time when others realize that the guy who pointed out the slippery slope had a point. Often, it's only after things get REALLY bad that they ever realize it.
You've never had a buddy get really into some girl who you could plainly see was petty, manipulative, and potentially abusive?
That's what I took it as. Those things were awesome!
You know how one of their hands was always stuck in that "I might be holding the top of a steering wheel, but I might also be pointing" position?
In college, I hung out with a group of guys, and being Adventure People is what we did. Camping, paddling, climbing, hiking, just about anything outdoors was our answer to frat parties and the like. Often, in the middle of an adventure, we'd suddenly realize we WERE Adventure People, and we'd give each other the Adventure People Salute.
You mentioned names. With F&I I remember when I was early into the books that I was wanting to smack GRRM for making half of the cast of characters have names with a "JOR" sound. (Jorah, Jory, Jeor, more?)
I figure it was a case of self ego stroking on GEORge's part.
BTW, I have it on good authority that GRRM doesn't wash his hands after peeing. Also, he has no qualms about doing this and then immediately going to a buffet luncheon spread where he neglects to use the tongs to grab his food.
1. Watch some Inuyasha. Dear, God, if I have to try to keep straight the difference between any more characters name Blahblahomeru, I might go insane(er).
2. When I was in the Army, I was stationed at a Naval Base. Every branch was represented. (Yes, even the Coast Guard.) I was in the Latrine when some dumb Jarhead who called it the Head walked in. I went from the urinal to the door and as I reached for the handle he said, "In the Corps they taught us to wash our hands." I said, "In the Army, they taught us not to urinate on hour hands."
Urinate is a multi-syllabic word, so I don't think he understood, and, beyond that, urine is sterile, but I think you get the point.