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And let me ask you this. If you all are so hellbent on the "IR and adam are scum buddies" track, then why and I the one under fire. Why not the one who presented the info as a possible gambit and potentially suckered me in. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.
Because you are the one who's here, and you're saying things like this.
Please expound. In my mind, you were posting a bunch during that time. Ergo, you had time to address the pressure or reiterate that you didn't fail. You chose not to. The excuse of "well I'm really busy right now" doesn't sit well with me. I don't know what's so hard to understand.
I made a few short blunt posts. Do you really want me to explain why I was frantically posting while I was being blindsided by a bogus last second bandwagon?
Would the explanation I've given here have dissuaded you or anyone else if I shared it at the time?
Too bad you werent able to ID who the actual mafia members were. So our top suspects are Immortal Raven and Adamical. Has KillingJoke claimed at all?
Yes. I claimed vigilante on D2 right before you said that you had doubled me. I also said I didn't take your doubling because I didn't want to risk potentially taking our two townies (I took out Dboy sadly).
I made a few short blunt posts. Do you really want me to explain why I was frantically posting while I was being blindsided by a bogus last second bandwagon?
Would the explanation I've given here have dissuaded you or anyone else if I shared it at the time?
Your initial question was "Why bother posting at all?" which to me suggests that no, you in fact would not have believed me, and thus there was no reason whatsoever for me to be posting. Your follow up response does not jive with that at all, as you suddenly have turned and are asking why I didn't post a particular thing which would have been inconsequential at the time.
Yeah, new info. It's frickin helpful. Just because Sloonei is cleared to you doesn't mean he's cleared to the rest of us.
I didn't say he should be cleared to the rest of you. I'm asking what that new information does to your read on Sloonei right now.
Quote : Originally Posted by Immortal_Raven
I knew I failed N1. adam comes up and claims a power that would do it and Darkstone (a confirmed townie to you no less) verifies that he was messed with, confirming adam's power in a general sense. So when Sloonei claims to have targeted me night 1 without failing, it doesn't make sense. Maybe there's a mafia MD or something else at play, but with a confirmed power (to me) for adam and a sketchy one for Sloonei, which one should I choose?
Does the confirmation of a power equate to the confirmation of an alignment? Did you ask the necessary questions at the end of Day 3 before joining the bandwagon against Sloonei?
Quote : Originally Posted by Immortal_Raven
And when Silver, the one who busted Roy more than anyone was hesitant, that gave me pause as well. I followed Silver because I trusted him and his actions. I preferred to lynch a neutral as opposed to no lynch. Then when adam's info came up, it was enough for me.
I know it was enough for you, your vote reflects that. What you've just described here is the problem, actually. All of that voting mindset you just described is very timid. These are the options you've presented to me:
1. No lynch -- inherently garbage and I don't know why anyone would do this.
2. Lynch the neutral claimant -- This is not inspired pro-town thinking, this is defaulting to an agreeable and inoffensive option.
3. Lynch Sloonei after adamical's revelation -- Not inherently garbage, but your treatment of it was underwhelming. You took one look at it, said "welp, okee dokee" and threw a vote on him. You didn't look into the issue. You just participated immediately. It looked premeditated.
Quote : Originally Posted by Immortal_Raven
And let me ask you this. If you all are so hellbent on the "IR and adam are scum buddies" track, then why and I the one under fire. Why not the one who presented the info as a possible gambit and potentially suckered me in. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.
Adamical will get his time on the hot seat. You're the one who is here right now. This question is silly.
Quote : Originally Posted by Immortal_Raven
Also, the looks like a townie/smells like a townie read on JoH. Don't be fooled. Maybe he is town, but I'd get more evidence first.
Sure, I could tinfoil that read all day if I wanted to. I'm feeling comfortable with it at the moment.
Yes. I claimed vigilante on D2 right before you said that you had doubled me. I also said I didn't take your doubling because I didn't want to risk potentially taking our two townies (I took out Dboy sadly).
Who do you find the most suspicious right now, KJ?
I made a few short blunt posts. Do you really want me to explain why I was frantically posting while I was being blindsided by a bogus last second bandwagon?
Would the explanation I've given here have dissuaded you or anyone else if I shared it at the time?
Quote : Originally Posted by Sloonei
Your initial question was "Why bother posting at all?" which to me suggests that no, you in fact would not have believed me, and thus there was no reason whatsoever for me to be posting. Your follow up response does not jive with that at all, as you suddenly have turned and are asking why I didn't post a particular thing which would have been inconsequential at the time.
Since you maintain that you didn't receive a failure notice, then no. I likely wouldn't have changed. However, reiterating that at the time forces me to make a choice and believe either you or adam. But you didn't address it at all. You simply campaigned for Roy. Since you were also on the hotseat, I felt that not addressing it when you could have was a sign of guilt/avoidance. I didn't like it.
The combination of you posting and not addressing the pressure and giving the excuse of being busy was too much evidence against you in my book.
Since you maintain that you didn't receive a failure notice, then no. I likely wouldn't have changed. However, reiterating that at the time forces me to make a choice and believe either you or adam. But you didn't address it at all. You simply campaigned for Roy. Since you were also on the hotseat, I felt that not addressing it when you could have was a sign of guilt/avoidance. I didn't like it.
The combination of you posting and not addressing the pressure and giving the excuse of being busy was too much evidence against you in my book.
And what did you not like about the case against Roy?
I am new here. I am also a veteran mafia player of 5+ years. I am being accused of making up a fake role claim that can be very very easily discredited and also apparently fits into this community very well, despite my lack of prior knowledge of such things. Yeah if I'm bad I could have discussed my roleclaim with teammates. But then we're still left scratching our heads at why I claimed the most easily falsifiable role in the game.
How common is my role, actually? Would you say it's common enough that it exists in every game? 75%? 30%?
Go back to JoH's 3 scenarios. #2 involved me or adam being scum buddies with Roy. Can we agree on that?
If I know it's not me, then logic says vote for adam. I just, it's a hard sell to believe adam would risk that play.
Given that I know it's not me and I'm pretty sure it's not kj101 via Afrcngy's power and the N2 write-up, what's your plan B after adam and myself are dead and the game keeps going.
Yes. I claimed vigilante on D2 right before you said that you had doubled me. I also said I didn't take your doubling because I didn't want to risk potentially taking our two townies (I took out Dboy sadly).
Yes. Sorry. I got this game mixed up in my head with the other Christmas mafia game.
Who do you find the most suspicious right now, KJ?
I would really like to hear more from adamical. Unfortunately for I_R, doctor is a hard claim to prove, but we haven't had any other townspeople claim doctor yet, so there is a small margin of validity to his claim. I am. I am not attempting to make a case for I_R, just stating my view of the situation at the moment.
Go back to JoH's 3 scenarios. #2 involved me or adam being scum buddies with Roy. Can we agree on that?
If I know it's not me, then logic says vote for adam. I just, it's a hard sell to believe adam would risk that play.
Given that I know it's not me and I'm pretty sure it's not kj101 via Afrcngy's power and the N2 write-up, what's your plan B after adam and myself are dead and the game keeps going.
That's a question I want you to answer. I'm not getting lynched by any sane person this phase, so the onus is on you to present an alternative reality and also to show why that reality is true.
There are possibilities, and I haven't already decided with finality that both you and adamical must be lynched in succession. I am open to hearing you out. Gimme the goods.
And what did you not like about the case against Roy?
It could also have been explained via a scum MD. If scum MDed him N1 and saw some info displayed to the public, why not MD a suspected info gatherer N2? Especially knowing Silver would get protections. So now both of your cases are identical. Both can be explained by MD.
Then throw in my failure N1, adam's actions both targeting myself and Darkstone, and your alleged targeting of me N1 which was publicly known before adam's claim. You look bad by comparison. It was as if we got a full claim from you and adam busted it. It was a stronger case to me.
JJJ's info makes it look bad as does Roy's autopsy.
Quote : Originally Posted by Sloonei
@IR, could you address this post?
Drag is fairly common atm. It used to be more rare, but I'd say at least 80% of games have it now.