For what it is worth, I tend to agree with this interpretation...

That said, nothing has been officially stated yet, so take that with a grain of salt

I wonder if they play test this with the new rules or the older PAC. I think KZ would have been a little more expensive if they realized he was affecting more characters.

Who knows maybe it was their original design. I wish we'd get a set design "director's cut" after the set release. Maybe an online Q&A with the designers. Just to see what their thoughts were on how they wanted the character used. I think if NECA let us behind the Wizkid iron curtain with more access players would feel more apart of the process.

I highly doubt that quantity of figures which may or may not be affected plays into it at all.

That's such a dynamic value that it can't be a factor.

Can I have a flier carry Kid Zoom causing his Stop! power to stop working while being carried? Kinda like why a flying HSS cannot get the benefit of Enhancement from a fig they are carrying.

No.

While KZ would be off the map while being carried, you'd need to give the character that is going to carry him an action while KZ was still on the map. And since KZ is still on the map, that action can't be HSS.

So carry away, but no HSS.

Running shot you place the carried character down before the attack right?

Yes it is actually relevant to the conversation

And Charge, and Pounce, etc.


Anything that attacks after movement is ended would cause the carried character to be placed back on the map. Anything that attacks during the movement means the carried character is still carried and off the map.

I thought so but had to ask to be sure. Thanks for the answer.

Ouch, that's nasty

Ok that loophole is closed. Guess i'll have to find a different way to exploit Kid Zoom.

It would make the most sense to use Inertia and Kid Zoom (153) against Black Flash (150), as he'll halve his speed when using Phasing/Teleport. At least KZ will be able to use HSS to attack; Inertia will need to be carried ot TK'd in. Both characters need a 10 or better to hit

Another (and more expensive) alternative is to place KZ within 6 squares of Harley Quinn/Poison Ivy to negate the Black Flash's Poison damage. Also, Harley/Ivy can Perplex KZ or their own AV/damage values for a duo attack.

If you are that worried about Black Flash, just don't use any HSS characters.

He's a lot less scary then

I'm thinking that KZ and Inertia would be ideal in a larger point build, where the opposing team has Black Flash in addition to other HSS bricks (Superman, Martian Manhunter, etc.).

KZ is very difficult to use in a 300 point build, unless he can be Perplexed or can take advantage of an opponent's Outwitted damage-reducing power. KZ + AE Clark Kent (or two) would be an interesting team-up, as Clark has Perplex, and AE Superman clicks don't have HSS. Kid Zoom is on par with Icons or LE Flash (Starro) for most of his dial. Expensive? Yes. Useless? No.

They're both great in larger builds. I've run both (separately) in 2000-pt. games. One Inertia is bad enough, but I ran three together. Forcing an opponent to turtle is actually kinda funny.

I ran Kid Zoom (what's with the KZ abbreviation? Are we really that lazy? ) with Kryptonite Man against a team that had four characters either named Superman or with the Superman Ally team ability which usually come with some form of Hypersonic Speed. That was hilariously effective. We were on the Anti-Monitor map so it was easy staying within 8 squares (for Kryptonite Man) without letting them draw line of fire to the characters causing problems for them.