Read it as poopmobile.

For clarity, it's not you.

My dice are fine, I've no problem allowing my opponent to use them.

Based on a number of players I've come into contact with, I'm very hesitant to allow them to touch my figures. One player in particular for personal reasons, but as Th3Foot mentioned, I've got a ton of mods, and some tend to be delicate in comparison to huge, clumsy folk.

So if someone is "borrowing" a mod that took me a very long time to produce and breaks it, I'm going to be pissed. If someone breaks an expensive figure (Hobgoblin Prime is a good example) I'm going to be pissed.

The suggestion to have the owner control the piece for the opponent is valid and good, and I'll be running with that should the situation call for it.



Thanks man! I appreciate it! There are good players around here, though, make no mistake. 95% of the player base rocks, I just got a bad ratio where I'm at.


"Willing" is a misnomer. After an incident where the individual banded with the venue to cheat me, I swore off the venue, expecting the problem to be over. He attends the new venue in town, and while I'd prefer to avoid trouble by simply refusing to speak to him or be near him, the fact is that I'll eventually have to play against him.

Now, Th3Foot says I seem respectable and well-mannered, and for the most part that's true. The player in question has had me within one word of beating the living crap out of him. To make me that angry over Heroclix is no easy task, and he's the only one who's managed it.



The player in question has damaged my figures and my maps repeatedly, cheated, and bragged about his "skill and strategy" after I quit a game because he was cheating blatantly because the venue not only allowed him to, but helped him to do so. As stated above, he's shown disregard for social respect and angered me to the point where If he didn't stop talking long enough for me to pack my things and never go back to that venue, I'd have been in quite a bit of trouble.

I've little trouble compromising with a reasonable individual. This guy isn't. When I swore off the venue in town, there was only one, and it was a hovel full of drunk players and foul play. Now there are two, the new one is a good shop, and this guy goes there. I'm torn between avoiding the venue to avoid problems that will surely occur at some point, or going to the venue and hoping to mitigate disasters. Copycat is a disaster waiting to happen in this case, because it allows disrespectful and destructive players to control others' property.

Worse, hypothetically, if someone breaks your 40$ chase and you break his 2$ Copycat in retaliation, he's certainly not going to feel that upset over it by comparison, now is he?

People you don't get along with don't always get banned from stores the way they should.

So if you know a guy's a jerk, he goes to the local store and he's not getting banned, are you gonna go play there and risk dealing with him, or skip playing altogether?

It's an easy question when the store sucks. It's a tough question when it's a great store.

The only other line I could think of was "Is he holy? Listen bud, he makes heavenly guacamole."

What I find kind of interesting is that in all my years of playing Magic the Gathering, this has never been an issue. there are tons of cards that let you gain control of an opponents card, some with values in the high triple digits (far beyond anything Heroclix has ever seen) and yet I have never seen a single person complain about handing over a card to an opponent to use. Kind of entertaining when you think of all the bad press MTG rules lawyers seem to get.

I know this wasn't really directed at me personally, but I'm going to answer anyhow. In such a situation I would play, but I would play nothing I especially valued and not in events where the temptation to cheat would be likely to come to the fore. If it is truly a great venue, I would go so far as to explain why and allow them to observe and consider his behavior. You may not share my faith in the social contract.

A bit harder to sleeve a miniature.

I have Chessex dice boxes that work as long as the figure isn't too tall. The base fits inside the black cap part, and leaves a nice clear box around the figure.

Oh absolutely, I was just saying that expensive figures are going to be played. And until certain characters are made in a rarity that's not chase, LE, con exclusive or SR, there are going to be pieces of value played at tournaments.
It can't be helped.

Again, you are correct, playing CopyCat because I like the character, or because of her other nifty power.
But let's be honest, using that one particular power that everyone is up in arms over, is primarily going to mess with your opponents team build.
But that wasn't my point, so don't get hung up over one little statement.
My point was, if you are going to be the one playing the figure that does this, you need to be responsible for the opponents piece you are put in charge of.

*raises hand* When control decks became dominant my cards started "accidentally" disappearing. Auditing my opponent's deck at the end of every game became a necessity if I wanted my property back. The last straw was seeing the stolen contents of my deck up for sale at a rather shady venue that had backed up such a thief, refused to let me inspect the deck and then spitefully booted me from that tournament for having less than the legal number of cards in my deck. To holy hell with Magic The Gathering.

I don't come around here as much as I use to, but you guys still manage to come up with the craziest things to talk about.

There's a huge difference between lending something out, and being forced to give it up to someone else, which is the huge problem with copycat.

There are some people I would never lend anything I couldn't stand to be parted with, for many of the reasons outlined in this thread. The problem is that these people can bring a Copycat, and force me to hand over my property to them.

I shouldn't have to bring two teams--one I might want to play, but wouldn't want certain players touching and one that I would--simply to play the game if that person brings a Copycat piece.

And it's really usually only this piece; most MC I've experienced either results in the player attacking, rather than moving--and there's a chance it could fail.

Not everyone has the luxury of many venues to chose from, or multiple players to play with. Moreover, until this piece came into existence, it really wasn't an issue for the most part.

As a judge running an event, I will warn the refusing player once, then DQ him for the event if they still refuse after that. They know there is a chance of encountering this when they show up.

*cough* POSSESSION: Give Jericho a power action and make a close combat or a ranged combat attack (as if he has a range value of 4) against an opposing target character as a free action. A successful attack deals no damage. Instead, remove Jericho from the battlefield and put him on his character card; the target is possessed, becomes friendly to your force and opposing to its owner's force, and any of the target's canceled powers return. *cough*

And Deadman.
Yes, there's precedence, however, I don't recall ever seeing either of those figures used much if at all when I judged or played at 5 different venues. Newer players who weren't here when those two figures came out also haven't experienced it.
I think Copycat has a good dial on her own as well as that nifty power so she'll see a lot if play, and people who have never experienced this type of situation will not realize it has already existed in Clix till now.