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Copycat, When the Opponent won't Give up the Figure
After recently discussing Copycat, I've heard of a pretty solid number of players who are possessive of their toys, and refuse to physically exchange their figures for Copycat.
"If he wants to play Enchantress, he should have brought his own."
Now, I get the logic presented here. Copycat explicitly forces a player to surrender his figure for the duration of the game, or until the effect ends. It's not Mind Control where it's one action.
I recently played against one, and he hijacked my Enchantress (the only figure on my team worth taking, by my design.) I didn't really care, but the question remains.
I know that there's a certain, specific player who I absolutely will not allow to touch my Clix under any circumstances, for good reason, and under penalty of significant blunt force trauma. If he plays Copycat, I'd still refuse to allow him to touch my figures. (THIEF! that the venue wouldn't ban. Garbage venue.)
Of course, other players would have a similar "no take my toys" policy just by virtue of being possessive, spanning all players but not including the corporal punishment.
If a player refuses to give up his figure, what happens?
"It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak." "Prove you have the strength and courage to be free."
Why ban the figure?
Is it any different from the effects of mind control, besides the obvious?
If the player will not let you touch their figure as a judge I think there is an easy compromise, put the figure on your force but allow the other player move it to where you say.
Also please see GP points above.
A good defense will only last for so long, before you must crush your enemies outright!
::ME::
1) Allow the switch, but the player gets to "control" the fig at your direction.
2) Get the judge to rule on it, may require that the other player forfeit if he refuses.
3) Tell him to stop being such a dink and play the game. It's not like the fig will be leaving your sight.
This here. I know the whole man-children thing exist but its just a game. I think #1 is the best overall solution when you find yourself in this situation. #2 is not that far behind and #3 should be stated regardless of the first two.
Last edited by miridor; 05/26/2014 at 12:25..
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I believe there was a ruling, based on not using your opponents replacement figures, that anything you put on the map is legal for your opponent to use. Refusal to allow the opponent to use it SHOULD equal a disqualification.
I know there is obviously a difference between copycat and MC but the end result is the same. If you dropped a hammer, and I decided to roll for it and picked it up you don't get to say "nuh uh mine" or I use one of the LoSH chases " no you can't use my relic" you are essentially refusing a rule.
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1) The bank repossesses your car. They have COUNTERED your car.
2) Some damned punk kids slash your tires. You CAN'T USE your car.
I think allowing him to control the actual movement of the figure is the best case scenario. Worst case is a forfeit on his part because he refuses to follow the rules. If I was judge I possibly would consider disqualification from the entire tournament.
If you have an issue with part of the game don't play the game, as it could be very likely that it will come up. I find it incredibly disrespectful to be so petty, not only to your opponent but to the other players and your judge, it's not like he's using your figure in another game it is directly in front of you, if he's able to steal your figure with you looking then you're not paying attention anyway.
(Note this isn't directed at OP, well not entirely, it's a generalization using a second person pronoun)
Cīmon! how old are you? three?! in any game you should be ready to follow some rules, if a figure, card o whatever states to surrender (in game) a piece of your force you just CANT SAY NO!!, if i were the judge its an inmediate Game Lost for the player refusing to follow the rulz, just like any other game matter, otherwise next time he could just say: I refuse that you play on my map, or to touch my relic or even prevent my creatures to take damage!
I believe there was a ruling, based on not using your opponents replacement figures, that anything you put on the map is legal for your opponent to use. Refusal to allow the opponent to use it SHOULD equal a disqualification.
I know there is obviously a difference between copycat and MC but the end result is the same. If you dropped a hammer, and I decided to roll for it and picked it up you don't get to say "nuh uh mine" or I use one of the LoSH chases " no you can't use my relic" you are essentially refusing a rule.
As a judge ask a couple of times to let this play happen, if refused the player forfeits.
oh that's mean some of you will say, but people have loved my judging and am tried of the man-children.
God is smarter than we are....
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Hope you was joking, because Copycat is but one in a growing line of characters that enable the long-term control of an opponents clix. We will soon have approximately 16 Z-virus guys that will be able to kill and zombiefy (sp?).
Unless your opponent has shown past disrespect/theft/misuse of clix, there doesn't seem to go control freak over a small piece of plastic. If it's really rare or fragile, ask if you can make the moves for that character under their control.
Personally, I'd likely still have an internal eye-roll if someone requested that, but I'd go through with it just to keep the game going along. LOL
I think allowing him to control the actual movement of the figure is the best case scenario. Worst case is a forfeit on his part because he refuses to follow the rules. If I was judge I possibly would consider disqualification from the entire tournament.
If you have an issue with part of the game don't play the game, as it could be very likely that it will come up. I find it incredibly disrespectful to be so petty, not only to your opponent but to the other players and your judge, it's not like he's using your figure in another game it is directly in front of you, if he's able to steal your figure with you looking then you're not paying attention anyway.
(Note this isn't directed at OP, well not entirely, it's a generalization using a second person pronoun)
I'm not so sure.
You call this behaviour petty, but I'm not really sure I would want another player handing my figures--especially if those figures are rare or expensive. I remember one game I played, where I was using the AvX Professor X, and the player reached across the table and took the card from my side, and took it roughly.
Now the card has a crease down the middle.
So here's a limited addition figure, with a damaged card, and I'm probably never going to get another one. All because some jerk couldn't wait for me to politely hand it to him, when he asked or handle my 'toys' with respect.
All my life I've had people borrowing my stuff, without permission, and breaking it because they don't treat it with respect. I don't have hundreds of dollars sitting around to replace stuff that gets broken or whatever, either.
See I understand the reasons for both sides my view is dimple. The opponent compromises or concedes. They conpromise that they will handle the figure. You compromise youn wont handle it. Problem solved. If they still refuse id call it a game loss and wouldnt have and regrets due to the fact ive been as accomodating as possible