I'd give feedback but a freakin' SK and the Mafia on N1?

And Ice whines about being blocked.

For the record, I don't think Ice played dirty. He used a weapon at his disposal. It's not much different than busting someone who OMACs.

I'm extremely amused to find out that I doctored JoH on one night and killed him the next.
The Mew giveth and the Mew taketh away.

Thank you for the feedback!

As for the 2 SKs: Rocket only got the one kill, the rest wouldn't go through. And I did all of the correspondence with gfishfunk in notes from Giovanni basically doing exactly what you said. (I believe I even used the words "acting like a court jester") so the hints weren't completely nonexistent.

Ah. If they had lived longer, it might have been better but you can't always plan for that.

Really creative roles!

Thoughts: I really loved the write-ups. At first I was worried they might have too much info, but the way the game went seemed to indicate differently, and looking at all the "choose a pokemon" type roles I think that wasn't really much of a concern.

Balance... who knows. There were a lot of moving parts, and while that makes things interesting it can also make it hard to balance. I'm not sure the balance was off, I did think the town played pretty well.

I wish there was more of a way for town pokemon to evolve themselves, instead of relying on two external sources that could kill them. That's kind of personal preference though, not sure it's a real big deal.

Finally, I didn't think I played that well this game. But Ice, why would you ask for a doctor if you were gonna busdrive yourself?? (Honestly I didn't love targeting you with that big bold asking for the doc, but I think that was right after I got lynched during Bioware and I was kinda fried so I took the easy way out.)

Thanks for the game, guys!

Oh, and for the record, Ice (because I felt a little like I piled on) - I didn't have a big problem with what you did. I don't think it was totally kosher but I also don't think you were trying to play dirty. I think it just worked out that way for this game because of how the powers were flavored. I thought you played a great game overall.

I cannot believe that people believed that claim. Especially as long as they did.

Shocking.

This. It's nothing against Ice's play, and not personal. I just think there was a distinction draw that pressured people in an unfair way, but that doesn't mean he played dirty or wrong.

I gotta go back and see what I said exactly. Was I the only outted townie at that point?

As a bus driver I asked if I could target myself. Once I found I could I would usually never ask for a doctoring.

I did however consider straight misdirection early on instead of Busdriving.

@Grizz and Justphilthy.

Really, really fun game. Cool roles and an awesome mechanic.

In a game this size (on the smallish side) there is usually a pretty cut and dry dynamic of one or two kills and not much else. Your attempts to spice it up really worked in my opinion and created a lot of quandaries for all sides to need to try and figure out.

For the mafia, they needed to evolve as the town was to keep up power wise. For the town they needed to root out at least one or two kill options immediately or the game would get away from them very quickly (it almost did) and the neutrals all had Posi/Neg draws to them that needed to be thought of while making actions and trying to figure what side to really sidle up to.

You guys deserve an ovation for a very, very fun game.

I hope you will do another Pokemon game very soon. This could be a really cool series.

Reading through I don't think Ice's questions should have even been that troublesome or a trap. It's not hard to name a Pokemon power for your character...

Just part of building a fake claim and gives the Mafia a task outside of "kill everyone else"...or that's what I thought.

Still, I'll watch it in the future.

To clarify, I don't think Ice was trying to skirt the rules or ask for anything he thought was inappropriate. I just think we all have a slightly different "line" for what can be used in game and what can't.

Some people think its a smart move to use the info from your role PM, others think its 'non-game' information.

FWIW, I think using role PMs as a game mechanic gives mods an incentive to just make them vanilla. Although now that I'm thinking about it, it would be simple to just give the mafia/neutrals a template town role pm, solving the whole problem.

That, or a mod could just make sure the town role PMs follow different formats.

The mafia had no way of knowing the powers were flavor named after pokemon moves from the game. All townies had this secret knowledge that the mafia didn't have....which is fine, as long as it isn't mentioned. But it was.

This is literally the exact reason you don't quote your role pm.

The problem comes in, if town powers were formated like, "TM29: Psychic: You are the...", mafia would need to somehow guess all powers were TM powers. Or they would be instantly exposed. And there is no way to gain this knowledge. All mafia are just screwed. I guessed right, and in a lot of games it doesn't matter, but it could, and this is why it should never be used.

No, the literal reason is so you don't just fork over your whole role PM and was thought of an early way to trying to clear yourself (because the concept of faking a role PM wasn't considered?).

The first time Ice busted someone that way, time for others to realize what happened and have a Pokemon power name ready.