Hi guys, I wonder

Is a soaring sentinel trooper nexst to a sentinel adjacent to it?

Big Figure rules state:

"May be attacked by grounded or soaring characters using Close or Ranged Combat attacks, and is considered
adjacent to characters in adjacent squares regardless of elevation."

So, I say yes! =)

Yes. The Sentinel exists on ground, elevated, and soaring elevations (although soaring isn't officially an elevation). If they are enemies, the Trooper could attack the Sentinel with a close combat action. If they are friendly, the Sentinel could make use of the Trooper's SHIELD team ability.

Nice, thanks. They could act as a nice shield :knockedou to my sentinel, both pumping damage and stopping chargers and tk's

Here's a question that's in the same vein...

Lets say you have Brainiac 13 adjacent to Sinestro. I use Saturn Girl to Mind Control Brainac 13. As a temporary friendly figure, can Brainiac 13 use RCE to fire up at Sinestro, even though he is based with him?

Since Brainiac 13 is a flier, he can always choose to make a ranged attack at any character within LOS and range.

If the character in question was a non-flier, the non-flier can only make a ranged attack against the SentiNestro if that non-flier is also not in B2B conatact with any other opposing grounded figure.

Don't forget to give Saturn Girl 1 click of damage for MC Brainiac 13.

I am going to have to disagree with RX and FJ here. Though the Sentinel and Sinestro can attack soaring figures as if he was soaring, he is not actually soaring. His base is on the ground, and thus he is considered grounded (unless he is on elevated terrain, in which case he is elevated).

Case in point is grounded blocking terrain. When the Sentinel/Sinestro is on the ground level and attacking a grounded character, the Sentinel/Sinestro is still affected by terrain. If he was considered Elevated as well for all purposes, he would be able to fire over said blocking terrain, which we know he cannot.


Hope this helps.....

So Psylockeslover, are you saying this doesn't apply because soaring isn't actually considered "elevation"? Just wondering, cuz RadicalX's rule quote sounded pretty convincing to me.

"A big figure and characters on elevated terrain may make ranged combat attacks against each other as if they were
on the same terrain level. Soaring characters and a big figure may attack each other, and when targeting each other
both use their full range."

And...being elevated doesn't allow you to fire over grounded blocking terrain.

"Grounded blocking terrain blocks line of fire
from an elevated attacker."

I gotta stick with my guns on this one...Sorry, PL! Looks like we disagree! =)

I can only assume that RX was using outdated rules. The above quote comes from the most recent update to the Sentinel rulesheet (6/15/04)

I see nothing in that rulesheet that states that the Sentinel is ever considered soaring, or adjacent to soaring figs.

As such, my position stands...

You are right there. I was thinking hindering terrain and, for some unknown reason, typed blocking terrain. That's my bad...

Give me a break, I just woke up like 30 mins ago....:knockedou

I'm using the same rules as you, PL, just interpreting them differently...=P

He's adjacent to everyone, regardless of elevation. Nothing else is said, so I assume soaring as well. And since he attacks soaring characters, and they attack him, as if both were at soaring elevation, it only makes sense that they would be considered adjacent. To me, anyway...=)

Again, I do not see where it states that the Sentinel is considered Elevated (edit-errr...Soaring I mean...) for any reason. He can simply attack soaring figs at his full range, and soaring figs can attack him at thier full range.

Okay, I submitted it in the WizkidsGames Judges Forum, so, I'll defer to one of the Big Guns for an official ruling. =)

I just think that because they behave as if they're on the same level as soaring figures, and there's that statement about adjacency, that they would be considered adjacent. But, I do see where you're coming from.

So...I'll let you guys know what they say about it! Hopefully HeroComplex or BroMags will say something about it. =)

Again, I have to ask if you are very sure you are using the updated rules?

I ask only because that, instead of seeing this:
I see this:

Now, reading the first quote, I would agree with you that the Sentinel would be considered soaring, and thus be adjacent. However, I do not find that quote in the most recent updated Sentinel rules (updated 6/15/04).

Just be glad that they don't let me on the judges forums.....