Doesn't Incapacitate change the user's damage value to 0 for the attack, therefore making the unmodified damage value 0?

It's clear from the intent of the card that you don't change the damage value to 0 when using this feat, but the text doesn't explicitly say this. I assume this will be FAQed.

I wouldn't be to sure of that...I mean the way TAUNT works now I could see ths being the case. (Apologies to hair10 for whipping this dead horse).

Actually, it is a replacement value (modify is when you add or subtract a quantity).

It's like with Defend and JSA/Defenders. The value replaces the value showing on the dial.

The thing is, replacement values are considered very different than modified values. The replacement value of JSA/Defenders can be used to make a figure easier to heal with Support. Support rolls ignore all modifiers, but the replacement defense value can be used to make the roll easier.

"in addition to,"

semantically speaking it could be interpreted that after I deal my successful incap, my damage is no longer 0, therefore my unmodified damage is back to whatever it was.

In essence you cant perplex, enhance, modify Blow damage but you can deal it after a successful incap.


The question you should be asking yourselves is not reword this - but in its current wording which comes first - the incap push damage (if it were to happen) or the blow damage.

Here's another Stunning Blow question: If you do a multiple target INC. attack w/ Stunning Blow, does the damage get split as per normal multi-target rules? Or is it the printed value in full to each target? Unlikely, I know, but that would be rad.

well, they took care of that right on the feat. it says the damage can be split between the targets

Whoops. Read, fox, read before you ask questions. :cross-eye

I have already brought this to WKs attention. I pointed out that there is inconsistency between there use of Modified Value from the new feat card to the new TAs.

If this is a modified value (which it is not) then the outsider TA would be the hotest thing as it would ignore Blades/Claws/Fangs, Incap, Energy Explosion, possibly Quake and possibly Pulse Wave. And that would be in addition to the ones you already know.

If you need some source material for this argument you will need to refer to the glossary entry for "modifiers" and "unmodified" in the rule book.
It spells out exactly what GG and I are saying.

I have suggested an alternate wording, so be prepared for the first eratta or OHEAC (aka FAQ) entry.

Doesn't PW ignore all TAs and Powers within range anyway?

Thus the "possibly"

There is a difference between drawing LoS and ignoring Stealth or a TA that produces its effects and a TA that says you can not be targeted altogether by the power.

Which has higher precedence PW or Outsiders (we will see), but it is unlikely that the Outsiders TA will be interpreted to allow modified to be interchanged with replaced. Since PW only replaces (not modifies) the DmVal to 1 when there are multiple targets it would not restrict PW anyway.