Blade is hands down, Marvels most misused character. 2 of the 3 movies about him were huge, people loved them, they made money, they thought the character was cool etc... Yet Marvel has been unable to turn that movie success into comic success.

Time to give Blade a Marvel Knights series (so it would appeal to a large audience then a Max title, but still be able to have more adult material in it). Give him the movie look, powers and weapons, cause thats what people like. People like him with his guns, sword, gliave, chem. etc... weapons, so why just stick him with wooden stakes in the comics? Design Whistler to look and act similiar to the character in the movie as well. Give people what they like. Also build up the Vampire Nation in the Marvel universe, make it huge and show its effects in other books, rather then a small group that really only effects what happens in the Blade books. Even have the Blood Pack involved, constantly hunting him down, etc... Really use the material in the movies that people like to help sell the book.

Start the book as a "two against the world" book, where even other Marvel hero's think they are nuts and don't believe in the vampire's they are hunting. Have Blade whip out a building full of Vampires only have to the FF or Luke Cage or Daredevil show up and take him on cause think hes a nut who just killed innocent people. After 20-25 books or so introduce some more supporting characters for him, against inspired by the movies (ie - King and Whistlers daughter)

Gosh I would HATE that.

Blade does NOT have all those powers. He didn't need them! Vampire Nation isn't anything like that. The vamps in the movies were incredibly lame. They couldn't mist, change shape, hypnotise. etc. They were just strong and healed fast. how is that any different than the average mutant runnign around?

King has already been introduced, and as a much cooler character than the hack-job in the movie.

I HATE when comics change to match the movies, when the movies should be following at least a LITTLE closer to the source.

Blade was cool when created for the Tomb of Dracula, and also cool in Nightstalkers. After that the stories just aren't very good. We have gotten past the point where you can have a hero that kills NOT kill his enemy. And characters like these NEED recurring enemies. We NEED Dracula. or Varnae, or Deacon Frost. But there are only so many times he can ALMOST kill him. Look at what a joke Jigsaw was. In the 70's they were able to do thiswith Dracula, Werewolf etc. I think that time is past.

If they can't do it right, I think I would prefer them to leave him in catagories of mini-series, and cameos. Same with Doctor Strange, and Iron Man. I have never liked the way they were written in their own books, but when guest appearing (Doc) or part of a Team (IM) the characters work great.

If you think so, fine. But you can't argue that Blade with all those powers, and a huge Vampire Nation was MUCH more successful then any "Marvel Blade" comic has been.

I know, and no one bought those books. People LIKED the young, smart assed King, so give it to them.

For the most part the Marvel movies have been as close as they can be (a movie can't be 100%), but in this case the movie verison's of the characters have been MUCH more successful then the comic ones, why make books that no one wants to read when a verison of the characters that people like is sitting right there to use?

And book doesn't need recurring villians, look at the Ultimates. If you get a good writer with, the Blade cast of characters (you know, the movie ones, the ones thatpeople want to see) they wouldn't need a recurring villian to make the books good, though having one or two wouldn't hurt either.

Of course it was. Do you have ANY idea how many issues of a single comic run would need to be sold to match the profits of a movie?

Or...

They could have him possessed by Dr Doom, whose spirit is running about free of a body. Then, just when Doom takes over, thats when the hydra/hand possessed Wolverine pops in to kill Blade. Just as Wolvie shoves his claws in, Blade (possessed by Doom, uses the only sword he's got close at hand, the sword recently left behind by the new swordsman in the T-Bolts comic, which is adamantium. He decapatates Wolvie then drops dead himself. There-by killing three birds with one stone. No more Doom, Blade or Wolvie. The End.

[quote]Originally posted by sluggo
If you think so, fine. But you can't argue that Blade with all those powers, and a huge Vampire Nation was MUCH more successful then any "Marvel Blade" comic has been.


Not counting Tomb of Dracula right? That had a real long run that they haven't been able to live up to since.

I know, and no one bought those books. People LIKED the young, smart assed King, so give it to them.

Then WHY call him KING? He's a completley different character with new powers (or lack their of) Origins and Motivation. There is nothing similiar but the name. I have no problem with them bringing a smart alec vampire hunter. Just don't retcon a cool character to do it.


For the most part the Marvel movies have been as close as they can be (a movie can't be 100%), but in this case the movie verison's of the characters have been MUCH more successful then the comic ones, why make books that no one wants to read when a verison of the characters that people like is sitting right there to use?


Actually Blade movies were pretty far from the comics. I don't think I'd give them more than 30% accurate. Mostly just rehasing the name Blade, and Deacon Frost. Add in the fact that Frost Killed Blades mother while he was being born and you have all they took from the book.



And book doesn't need recurring villians, look at the Ultimates. If you get a good writer with, the Blade cast of characters (you know, the movie ones, the ones thatpeople want to see) they wouldn't need a recurring villian to make the books good, though having one or two wouldn't hurt either.

They aren't needed, but they certainly help. How many different books has Punisher had? Characters like these have good ARCS but rarely good Series. If they reach 40 issues it's a miracle. Blade can't seem to do better than 12 anymore.

I would also like to point out that the last movie wasn't very liked.

ULTIMATES? I don't think that's a good example. What are they up to... 15 total issues between the two series? We must have a different opinon of "recurring". I don't want the same enemy in every issue. Look how many times Doc Ock has come back to mess with Ultimate Spidey. That's what I meant.

By the By I would like to point out of 7 (that I remember) series of Blade at least the last 3 have been about the retconned Movie blade, with the new powers and weapons.The only thing missing from the good movies, was whistler, but come on... he's been killed in 2/3 of the movies. Let him die or stop killing him!

and yes, I was being serious previously.

I'm not saying the books will make as much movie as the movies, but the Blade Books havn't made ANY money, NO ONE reads them, which is why they stoped the series (at least the last time I checked). Why would someone who likes the movie blade (and theres more of them then people who like the comic blade) read the comic when they find out hes very different, and "not as good"?

Cause people who have no idea who the orginal king is know who the "movie" King is.

And it was MORE successful then the books have been, so make the books look like what Blade that people like.

And I said they wouldn't hurt, and you can have the leader of the Vamp. nation's as your big, main villian (think Wetworks), the Blood Pack, and other higher ups in the grand order of things that can reoccur, but also get knocked off and replaced.

Knows King. The vamp who refused to drink human blood as was therefore not banished/destroyed when the spell was placed over the earth to get rid of all the vamps/ Then Dr Strange lifted the spell to help his bro out, and so King once more was a vampire. And recently drank human blood.

Now I understand why you'd want the comic Blade to be more like the movie Blade, with the movie version being more popular nowadays... However, with this same line of thinking, will you be willing to accept it if they retcon Spidey's web shooting and make it organic instead of needing webshooters just because it was what happened in the movie? Are you willing to have Iceman and Rogue pair up in the comics just because it was like that in the movie? Make Wolverine taller than he was in comics to match how Hugh Jackman looks like? The movies are supposed to be based off of the comic books... Minor changes to a comic book because of a movie may be acceptable, but to completely overhaul a character just because the movie became a hit can alienate his/her fans who follow the comics...

And, as far as Blade and his world is concerned, I don't think it matches well with the rest of the Marvel universe... Seeing heroes like Spidey and Hulk in a vampire hunt looks kinda out of place... If they can separate Blade's world from the heroes I think it'd work...

First, they did that. Spider-Man is not an unsuccessful comic character who's only popularity comes from the movie.

Once again, they did pair up Iceman and Rogue. And once again the X-Men is not a failed comic title that can't sell books that was reinvented in the movies in a way that sold.

Problem is blade doesn't have any, thats why you change THAT character, because the fans and follows are mostly fans of the movie, not the books. And thats why (if my first post), I said you make the Blade characters outsiders, even among other hero's - an arc with them having to get away from the FF who think they are just insane kills would be something I'd want to see.

Problem is blade doesn't have any,


Actually I'm a little offended by this. Blade DOES have fans. What they need are decent writers. People stop buying Superman and the Avengers when the writers ####.

. And thats why (if my first post), I said you make the Blade characters outsiders, even among other hero's - an arc with them having to get away from the FF who think they are just insane kills would be something I'd want to see.

They have done this over in Spiderman a couple of times. He doesn't believe in Vampires (despite the numerous encounters) and considers Blade a Psycopath to be stopped.

It still didn't help blade get his own book with a decent writer.

phantom1592 - He doesn't have enough then. Which is why there isn't a monthly book. And don't blame the creators, Uncanny X-Men has been #### for years and its one of the best selling books out there, cause peoplelike the X-Men. There aren't many comic book fans who like Blade, but there are MILLIONS who like the movie Blade. Really, how hard is it to see how this character should be writen?

sounds like we're just going to disagree on this one. I don't like screenwriters who know nothing about a comic character, dictating continuity.

Blade did so well as a movie because it was an Action/Horror movie. It also had Wesley Snipes and Kris Kristopherson. The American public at large didn't realize that he was a comic character. It will be the same with Constantine. People like the Genre. Making Blade comics like he is in the movies won't make more non comic readers pick it up. And those who were already comic readers won't pick up another blade book anyway.

Leave him as a Guest appearance until the next Midnight Sons Revival. Some characters arent' strong enough to carry a monthly title. Blade doesn't have enough personallity to do this. He is out for Revenge. He does the exact same thing every night. At least in TOD and Nightstalkers he had some supporting cast to play the psychosis off of but just him and Whistler? In the time it would take for a writer to give an enemy personality, Blade would dust him and then we'd start all over again. He'd be a vampire Punisher and Honestly that's two punishers too many.

I'd also like to point out that Marvel doesnt' give blade a chance. His 4th book, the 2nd under his own name was cancelled after issue 3! We end the series with a cliffhanger of a wooden knife flying (unerringly the text says) at Morbius's HEART! What a LOUSY place to end it!

Next thing we see SHIELD is digging up Blade the Daywalker's Grave or some stupid thing.

Nope stick him in the shadows and let him come out when needed.

to ret-con would mean to change in it such a way as that it's supposed to of been around since the beginning. Therefore, Spidey's webbing wasn't ret-conned. It was altered.