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On the feat card Force Field it states "Choose a character without a power that reduces damage." Does this mean the character cannot have a damage reducing power anywhere on thier dial?
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On the feat card Force Field it states "Choose a character without a power that reduces damage." Does this mean the character cannot have a damage reducing power anywhere on thier dial?
On the feat card Force Field it states "Choose a character without a power that reduces damage." Does this mean the character cannot have a damage reducing power anywhere on thier dial?
Thanks
Correct. Any Damage Reducers *anywhere* on the dial prevents Force Field from functioning.
An interesting note, since the "no damage reducers" is not a prerequisit, you could techincally assign this Feat to a figure that meets the prerequists, like U Magneto, but could never actually use it. I guess if you wanted to increas point values for Master Mind or Mind Control purposes, this might have some kind of use. Otherwise it is just a quirk in the rules...
Correct. Any Damage Reducers *anywhere* on the dial prevents Force Field from functioning.
An interesting note, since the "no damage reducers" is not a prerequisit, you could techincally assign this Feat to a figure that meets the prerequists, like U Magneto, but could never actually use it. I guess if you wanted to increas point values for Master Mind or Mind Control purposes, this might have some kind of use. Otherwise it is just a quirk in the rules...
Hrmm, then here's an idea: What if you used Force Field as a fail-safe?
I can't think of a dial off the top of my head, but suppose you assign Force Field to someone who meet the qualifications, but has just one damage-reducing power? If that power were outwitted, would the force field then take effect, providing the characer with toughness?
Admittedly, this isn't all that feasible, but there might be a character that it would be useful (and practical) for. Anyone have any ideas?
I think the use for the card comes from IW and Doc Strange (or a few others) in this set. It seems some cards are based on characters that come in the same set, but alot can be abused by other figures. Brilliant Tactician is clearly a Fantastic card but look how good it works on CT Doom and his Doombots. It seems to be getting really close to character specific feats...which would be cool. <crosses fingers for web shooters>
Hrmm, then here's an idea: What if you used Force Field as a fail-safe?
I can't think of a dial off the top of my head, but suppose you assign Force Field to someone who meet the qualifications, but has just one damage-reducing power? If that power were outwitted, would the force field then take effect, providing the characer with toughness?
Admittedly, this isn't all that feasible, but there might be a character that it would be useful (and practical) for. Anyone have any ideas?
Nope. You gotta meet the Pre-req to be assigned a FEAT. So when you are building a team and you want to use Force Field, if that figure has even 1 click of Toughness, Inv, or Imp - he will never be able to be assigned the Force Field Feat.
Visible Dials and Pushing Damage need to be optional. This is the way.
Nope. You gotta meet the Pre-req to be assigned a FEAT. So when you are building a team and you want to use Force Field, if that figure has even 1 click of Toughness, Inv, or Imp - he will never be able to be assigned the Force Field Feat.
Excpet the "no damage reducers" isn't a prerequisit, it is merely a prohibitive statement in the description of the Feat (similar to the TA requirement of Brilliant Tactician). I've already gone over this:
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An interesting note, since the "no damage reducers" is not a prerequisit, you could techincally assign this Feat to a figure that meets the prerequists, like U Magneto, but could never actually use it. I guess if you wanted to increas point values for Master Mind or Mind Control purposes, this might have some kind of use. Otherwise it is just a quirk in the rules...
Excpet the "no damage reducers" isn't a prerequisit, it is merely a prohibitive statement in the description of the Feat (similar to the TA requirement of Brilliant Tactician). I've already gone over this:
The "Choose a character part..." may not be next to the word "Pre-Req" but its taken into account when assigning Feats.
Who can I choose to assign the Feat to? A character without a power that reduces damage.
So, yes, its not an actual Pre-Req to use the FEAT but you can't assign the FEAT to anyone with damage reducers.
Visible Dials and Pushing Damage need to be optional. This is the way.
The "Choose a character part..." may not be next to the word "Pre-Req" but its taken into account when assigning Feats.
Who can I choose to assign the Feat to? A character without a power that reduces damage.
So, yes, its not an actual Pre-Req to use the FEAT but you can't assign the FEAT to anyone with damage reducers.
Yes, you can. Just like you *could* give Mad Thinker Brilliant Tactician. It would really do you any good, but the figures do meet the prerequisits.
Unlike Fastball Special, which includes the "see Feat text" addition to its prerequisits, the prerequisits for Force Field are simply Barrier, Defend, ES/D, or Telekinesis. Nothing in the prerequisits says you can't have a damage reducing power. If you did give Force Field to U Magneto, it really wouldn't be any different that constantly keeping your opponent's Trick Shot figure based with one of your figures. Trick Shot's prerequisits are met, but the Feat can't be used due to the restrictions with in the description of the Feat.
Yes, you can. Just like you *could* give Mad Thinker Brilliant Tactician. It would really do you any good, but the figures do meet the prerequisits.
Unlike Fastball Special, which includes the "see Feat text" addition to its prerequisits, the prerequisits for Force Field are simply Barrier, Defend, ES/D, or Telekinesis. Nothing in the prerequisits says you can't have a damage reducing power. If you did give Force Field to U Magneto, it really wouldn't be any different that constantly keeping your opponent's Trick Shot figure based with one of your figures. Trick Shot's prerequisits are met, but the Feat can't be used due to the restrictions with in the description of the Feat.
I disagree.
BT says Choose a Character. So yes, you could choose Mad Thinker and just never be able to use the FEAT since he has no TA.
This is very different from Force Field which states: Choose a figure with no damage reducers.
Choose a character means you can pick any one figure to assign the Feat. Choose a character without damage reducers means you can only choose a character without damage reducers to assign the Feat. Now if you wanted to assign said feat to someone like U Prof X you could since he has no damage reducers. And like your Mad Thinker example, he couldn't use the Force Field since he never has any of the Prereq's...
Visible Dials and Pushing Damage need to be optional. This is the way.
Now if you wanted to assign said feat to someone like U Prof X you could since he has no damage reducers. And like your Mad Thinker example, he couldn't use the Force Field since he never has any of the Prereq's...
That example is incorrect. From the FAQ:
In order to be assigned a Feat card, the character(s) must meet the prerequisites at the time of force construction. If a figure cannot meet the prerequisites somewhere on its dial, then it cannot be assigned that Feat card.
Also, with U Professor Xavier form Infinity Challenge, you could assign him Froce Field since he starts with Defend.
Also, from the Mutant Mayhem rules insert:
Any character may use a feat as long as it meets the feat's prerequisits.
As pointed out before, the prerequisits for Force Field are Barrier, Defend, ES/D, or Telekinesis.
This whole discussion is pointless anyway. Assume for the moment I am right, there wouldn't be any reason short of handicapping yourself to assign a figure a Feat card they can't use; That's just wasted points. I was merely noting it as an odd twist in the rules that a card (Force Field happened to be my example, but others like Brilliant Tactician are also guility) could have its prerequisits met and be assigned to the a figure that could never actually use the Feat based on further prohibitions in the description. I know I wouldn't give my opponents a free 10 or 20 point advantage just because I wanted to carry around an extra piece of cardboard.