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I think a lot of people would agree that so far New Avengers has been as very good read so far, and most people I know who have/do read the book just really like the team itself and the new dynamic the Avengers has now. I'd like to see Marvel play off this success and restart the West Coast Avengers, a new roster with mostly non-tradional Avengers. Since the New Avengers have cut their ties with the US government, the government will want control of a team again so they start up another team of Avengers that they will control. Since there are so many heros in NY, they decide to put them LA. Since their politics and the politics of the New Avengers would be different the two teams would also come into conflict from time to time.
Roster:
Hawkeye: Hes alive again (groan) and setting him up as the leader of the West Coast Avengers (a job he used to have) sets him against Captain America again.
Warbird/Ms Marvel: Another former Avenger, good mid power level hero (Ironmans counter part).
Ironfist: The close combat expert of the team and less popular character that could get a good push from the book. He could be having a hard time making it without Cage (since hes with the Avengers) so he teams up with the WCA for the pay cheque. Either he and Cage would remain friends which would anger other team members, or it would break up one of the top Marvel Duo' - either is fodder for stories.
Cloak: Another obscure character that would benefit from the book, a solid team player and transporter. His powerset would be something that could be interesting to see in a team dynamic like that.
Dagger: Cloaks partner, strong fighter but not over powering.
Black Cat: I'd like to see her jump out from being a Spider-Man supporting character and become a full character on her own. She could have been caught by the police/government stealing something and offered a spot on the team instead of jail time, OR she wants to fully embrasse becoming a hero and sees this as her chance. Either way, her luck powers would mean she could act as a VERY low power Scarlet Witch, and her burlge skills would make her (along with Cloak) the stealth expert and covert expert of the team.
Dr. Strange: Yet another character I'dl ove to see in a high profile, monthly title. Hes not there because of the money, because the government wants him there or any of the other reasons the rest of the team is. The first arc can involve some mystic force or villian on the West Coast, when Strange goes to deal with it he ends up running into and teaming up with the new team. At the end of the first arc there is some mystic issue (power or create etc....) located on the West Coast, Strange decides to stay to investage/keep an eye on it and just stays with the team and sets up his base in theirs.
Namor: The heavy hitter of the group. The second arc can involve Atlantis so he joins him them for one outing, after which he is pursuaded to join the team to protect his kingdom by protecting the whole earth (or something like that). A loner, Namor would be a great center for conflict on the team and between team members, but he could probably take the whole team himself so how much do you argue with him?
Theres only one Return, and it ain't of the King, its of the Jedi.
Black Cat and Strange are too East coast based for WCA. I'd reccomend Nova or Speedball. U could tie in how they had the reality show, and they tried to get a tv show that 1 time.
Strange is the one I would change np, the other guy I was thinking about instead of Strange was Moonnight.
I like the idea of Blackcat leaving the East coast, she was at best an anti-hero there, she wants/being forced to be a hero now, so shes moving coasts. The orginal WCA were very "east coast based" when they were mvoed and it worked, it could with these characters too.
Theres only one Return, and it ain't of the King, its of the Jedi.
The only characters I ever liked in WCA were Iron man and Hawkeye. Hawkeye is MIA and Iron Man is on the East Coast.
Of course looking at the team you assembled, it could be kind of fun. Well, maybe not. I don't like Cloak or Dagger. and I'm a little tired of Black Cat.
Iron Fist and Moon Knight would be cool, but Dr. Strange and Namor are Defenders. Namor is really a lousy team player anyway, and Dr. Strange would insist on being team Leader.
The team needs a heavy hitter, but there aren't many left that I like. Sentry, Hulk, Thing are on other teams. WOnderman is dumb. I really Miss Thor Maybe a new Giant man/Goliath/YellowJacket. Pym seems to be acting weird in Thunderbolts so it couldn't be him.
Maybe bring back Firestar and Justice. (wonder if the HoM hit them?!?) Or some of the other early New Warriors "called up the majors"
If New Avengers starts getting too many characters on the team, I'd like to see them split into two teams, one being WCA. I like the fact that there's only 7-8 characters, most of the time 1 or 2 of them are out doing personal stuff.
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phantom1592 - Cloak and Dagger would kinda be like the Echo's and Spider-Womans of the team, D level hero's who rarely get used, but who are (in my opinion anyway) interesting characters that would be good to read about in that kinda type enviroment. Blackcat would be getting a whole need start. Dr. Strange....I had 3 guys I was thinking of for that last roster spot (alost Moonknight and Fantomex), I'd have zero probably taking him out and putting one of them in. Namor being a lousy team player is what would make it interesting (you could say the same thing about Wolerine and Spider-Man), teams where everyone on the same page are only so interesting, but you put a couple guys who very opinionated (like Hawkeye and Namor) on the same team, now you have something to dig your teeth into. Plus Namor is in that "heavy hitter" catagory - the other idea I had for that (if not Namor) was a new Assguardian (if they did their "return of Thor" story before this book started). I wouldn't want to many ex-Avengers on the team though, like I have said the new team members is really the appeal of the New Avengers, putting lots of Ex-Avengers on a New WCA would cancel out that effect.
Revisted Team Roster - Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, Ironfist, Cloak, Dagger, Blackcat, Dr. Strange/Moonknight/Fantomex, Namor/New Assguardian character. For a total of 8 characters.
BravesRule - I like that about New Avengers as well (though why Wolverine wasn't front and center in their first fight with Ninjas is beyond me) which is why I would have this team started by the government and completely independent of the New Avengers.
Theres only one Return, and it ain't of the King, its of the Jedi.
Roster:
Hawkeye: Hes alive again (groan) and setting him up as the leader of the West Coast Avengers (a job he used to have) sets him against Captain America again. Hawkeye is a must as a team leader. It could make sense too. He's reincarnated by HOM, returns all confused and looking for somewhere to belong, maybe even takes a trial run as a New Avenger, but is told he's not the same, so he forms West Coast Avengers on a government grant giving him a chance to prove himself.
Warbird/Ms Marvel: Another former Avenger, good mid power level hero (Ironmans counter part). Personally, I find her a bit dull. However, I know not who to replace her with. Admittedly, she'd be a solid member. So personal preferences aside, a good choice.
Ironfist: The close combat expert of the team and less popular character that could get a good push from the book. He could be having a hard time making it without Cage (since hes with the Avengers) so he teams up with the WCA for the pay cheque. Either he and Cage would remain friends which would anger other team members, or it would break up one of the top Marvel Duo' - either is fodder for stories. Nice thinking, I see him as another solid addition to the team.
Cloak: Another obscure character that would benefit from the book, a solid team player and transporter. His powerset would be something that could be interesting to see in a team dynamic like that. I'm kinda opposed to Cloak and Dagger joining a team. Unless it was Runaways. I'd actually push for Sandman instead. An ex-villain, ex-Avenger with a lot of cool personality flaws to play with.
Dagger: Cloaks partner, strong fighter but not over powering. So no Dagger either. Put Moon Knight on here.
Black Cat: I'd like to see her jump out from being a Spider-Man supporting character and become a full character on her own. She could have been caught by the police/government stealing something and offered a spot on the team instead of jail time, OR she wants to fully embrasse becoming a hero and sees this as her chance. Either way, her luck powers would mean she could act as a VERY low power Scarlet Witch, and her burlge skills would make her (along with Cloak) the stealth expert and covert expert of the team. Yeah! I'm with you 100% on this one!
Dr. Strange: Yet another character I'dl ove to see in a high profile, monthly title. Hes not there because of the money, because the government wants him there or any of the other reasons the rest of the team is. The first arc can involve some mystic force or villian on the West Coast, when Strange goes to deal with it he ends up running into and teaming up with the new team. At the end of the first arc there is some mystic issue (power or create etc....) located on the West Coast, Strange decides to stay to investage/keep an eye on it and just stays with the team and sets up his base in theirs. Just don't see Strange on a team. There's already the Defenders too. Instead, for the smart member, how about Beast? Returning to the Avengers in the wake of the HOM? He's iffy though, cause he may be beyond all coolness at this point. Otherwise, maybe a depowered mutant here, trying to continue the life they loved with the help of some government impersonation of their powers.
Namor: The heavy hitter of the group. The second arc can involve Atlantis so he joins him them for one outing, after which he is pursuaded to join the team to protect his kingdom by protecting the whole earth (or something like that). A loner, Namor would be a great center for conflict on the team and between team members, but he could probably take the whole team himself so how much do you argue with him? Again, no Defenders. For the Brick, possibly War Machine? With a new user, same suit.
There's supposed to be a roster change in New Avengers #15. I'll bet Moon Knight makes it on the team somehow (Bendis said he does love the character). I'd just like to see Moon Knight in any book.
As much as I love Black Cat, I don't see her joining any team. She's too much of a loner the same way Spider-Man is and she isn't near his level in power either. Against a heavy hitter like Kang or Ultron I'd imagine she would get in the way more then do much good.
As much as I love Black Cat, I don't see her joining any team. She's too much of a loner the same way Spider-Man is and she isn't near his level in power either. Against a heavy hitter like Kang or Ultron I'd imagine she would get in the way more then do much good.
Spider-Mans a loner, for the most part so is Luke Cage, yet both are great parts of the new Avengers. She hasn't been on a team before, who cares, its something new that would be interesting to see and that would bring something new to a team. As for being a heavy hitter, she has her own abilities which would help the team, she just won't be doing damage.
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There's supposed to be a roster change in New Avengers #15. I'll bet Moon Knight makes it on the team somehow (Bendis said he does love the character). I'd just like to see Moon Knight in any book
Not sure whats going with that, if you read the preview it sounds like some of the New Avengers just might not go public. Also the cover for issue 16 has all the current members except for Sentry on it, so we'll wait and see what happens there, obviously is Moonknight does join the NA I wouldn't put him on the NWCA.
saturnflight - I wouldn't put Hawkeye on the NA's, its not "his Avengers". I'd just give him a new start with the NWCA. I'd have no interest in Sandman at all, Cloak and Dagger fall into that - cool but unused characters. Before NA's started who saying "ya, Spider-Woman, I want to see that". Namor being on the Defenders, isn't Wolverine an X-Man? Who cares if hes a defender.
Theres only one Return, and it ain't of the King, its of the Jedi.
OK, so Sandman was a stretch, I'll admit. Just think Cloak and Dagger are cool in Runaways. But to give them a comic to be in, yeah, I'd be cool with them on WCA.
Good point about the 'not my Avengers' Hawkeye scenario. I couldn't come up with a reason Hawkeye wouldn't be on the Avengers when the other heroes found out he was alive.
I still think no Namor, though. The biggest mistake in New Avengers was not taking Wolvie out of the X-men. No one should play two teams.
This would definately be a good read. If I were into Avengers, WCA would be the one I'd get into. And this new lineup would be interesting.
You sure no Wonderbread?
I still think no Namor, though. The biggest mistake in New Avengers was not taking Wolvie out of the X-men. No one should play two teams
Why? Many characters have teama nd solo books, and many are on two teams. Namor is one of the very few marvel characters that on that "heavy hitter" power level and his attitude would add a lot to the team dynamic, hes not a team player, you put him on a team.
Theres only one Return, and it ain't of the King, its of the Jedi.
Spider-Mans a loner, for the most part so is Luke Cage, yet both are great parts of the new Avengers. She hasn't been on a team before, who cares, its something new that would be interesting to see and that would bring something new to a team. As for being a heavy hitter, she has her own abilities which would help the team, she just won't be doing damage.
The thing is that Spider-Man has teamed up with just about every character and team out there. He's got some experience on his side with that. Luke Cage spent most of his time teamed with Iron Fist himself so they've both worked with others. Outside of her brief stint as Spidey's sidekick, Black Cat doesn't really have any of that. I'm not entirely sure how a private detective would help a group with the resources of the Avengers out. Maybe her connections to the underworld, but the Avengers usually deal with larger threats then the mob.
The thing is that Spider-Man has teamed up with just about every character and team out there. He's got some experience on his side with that. Luke Cage spent most of his time teamed with Iron Fist himself so they've both worked with others. Outside of her brief stint as Spidey's sidekick, Black Cat doesn't really have any of that
But SPider-Man is the only book shes really been in, and shes almost always teamed up in that book, so I'd say she is at least a little bit of a team player. And that just makes the book more interesting, if she is a bit of a loner theres CONFLICT there. For example shes susposed to sneak into builidng X and do this, but she gets side tracked and everything falls apart cause thats how shes used to doing things. Having a team where everyone gets along and is a perfect team player is BORING. Batman is dective, Spider-Woman is along those lines as a charater as well and both help out their respective teams, she also has her stealth, and basic "thiefing" skills to draw on, plus her luck powers.
Theres only one Return, and it ain't of the King, its of the Jedi.
'Eh, I'd rather see Namor and the rest of the Invaders get back together for some butt kicking then see him side with the West Coast Avengers.
Atlantis is also in the Atlantic, not sure how easy it'd be to justify Namor piddling arround on the East Coast.
Could use Hercules instead. He's semi ticked at the current Avengers, is head strong, a drunk, and prone to mood swings. If you need a conflict Icon that can take on the whole team, it's Hercules. I can see him joining in an act of spite.
"Un-fun Dad, un-fun Dad,
He's so bad, he mak'a me mad
Un-fun Dad, un-fun Dad
He's a real cad, Un-fun Dad"