This came up at a venue last night, and I like other opinions.

Here's the situation.

V Darkseid has one action token on him from moving.

V Batman wants to stunning blow him, so he outwits his defense and makes his attack roll.

Now, can Darkseid use his protected to negate this attack?

The judge last night ruled, that in this instance the Stunning blow negated the protected, because it was putting a second token on Darkseid and he would be unable to activate the card. I think this was the right decision and want to be certain.

If Darkseid had 0 tokens when I attacked, would be become pushed? Example, Stunning blow to do 3 damage and an action token, Darkseid uses protected to ignore the damage, but not the one token, he adds another token as per protected and pushes. Am I correct?

I hope this makes sense, and appreciate any input.

Hmm, good question. I don't have the cards in front of me, so I'm sure normalview or someone will pop in here to help ya (us).

The judge last night ruled, that in this instance the Stunning blow negated the protected, because it was putting a second token on Darkseid and he would be unable to activate the card. I think this was the right decision and want to be certain.

> Honestly...dunno

If Darkseid had 0 tokens when I attacked, would be become pushed? Example, Stunning blow to do 3 damage and an action token, Darkseid uses protected to ignore the damage, but not the one token, he adds another token as per protected and pushes. Am I correct?

> Yes

Would it also be a case of the attacker being able to apply his feat cards to the situation before the defender? I know that in most games, that person with the initiative, or the attacker, gets to apply their effects first. Or would it create a "stack" like - Player 1 uses stunning blow, Player 2 responds with protected, and they resolve from the last one to be used to the first? In that case the protected would win out. Just a thought.

Stunning blow doesnt come up against protected at my venue too much but almost the same thing is getting attacked by that lamp post. It was ruled at our venue that if you are attacked by say a pouncing spidey with the lamp post and you have protected that with 0 tokens on you, you will get 2 now and be pushed. If you already have 1 token on your character then you simply receive a 2nd token from the protected and you cant receive a 3rd one from the lamp post. Either way you end up pushed. Its a pretty decent tactic.

On the official heroclix site, Hair10 gave me an answer to the first situation.

He says Protected could have been used.

That doesn't make much sense to me, but I can't argue against the source

I asked him to justify why, so if he does I'll post an answer here.

Hair 10 is not going to justify his answer. You'll have to rely on other people explaining it to you.

To be fair to the Incapacitator, in order for their power not to be negated unintentionally, the attack-token should be placed first, then you're eligible to place a token on your own character.

At least, that's what sounds fair to me.

This seems foolish. Telling players, "Because Hair10 said so" doesn't answer the question.

All he needs to say is something like this

When using stunning blow, the damage is assigned before the action token. Protected can be used immediately when the character takes damage. The second token from protected is placed before the token from Stunning Blow.

Thats not official at all btw, I just made it up. But if hair would do something like that, it tells me why he ruled that way, rather then leaving me to guess.
Thats not hard, and it gives a reason behind the madness.

Good question, what's the answer?

Hair10 justified his answer, its basically what I thought. Heres the thread in which he justified it

Heres the justification for those who don't wish to read the entire debate

So theres the answer

So, when dealing the damage from stunning blow, doesnt the figure being attacked also take a click of pushing damage on top of the stunning blow damage?

Not nessesarily. A token is placed on the target character. If that token happens to be the second token, then push damage is given. If it is the first, there is no push damage.

I think you should read the whole thread, or at least the part after Hair10's answer. Which to be nit picky isn't so much of a justification as a clarification.
Anyway, Hair10 said which is incorrect. The last few posts are about that point.
For example, CSA requires you to put a token on a fig as soon as you use the CSA TA. Otherwise you could use CSA 3 or more times, with different figs of course, and at the end of the action during which you used CSA, you could assign all the tokens to the same fig because all the tokens would be assigned at the same time at the end of the action.

The same with protected. As soon as you use the protected feat you must place a token on the fig that used it. You don't wait until the action during which you used it to resolve.
That is why you can use protected when you are attacked with an incap, stunning blow or light post attack when you already have 1 token. The token from the attack IS assigned at the end of the action, the protected token is assigned during the action.