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With Brilliant tactician you can target every friendly figure in range that shares the same team ability as you with perplex.If I give Dr Doom Brilliant tactician can he only perplex other Minions of doom or could I have Dr Doom copy another team ability and perplex that team?
From what I understand, if your team was built as follows:
Black Knight (Avenger, using Thunderbolt to copy the original FF team ability)
Invisible Woman (using the Alt-FF Feat card)
Brainiac 5 (with Legion wildcard team ability)
Doombot (with Miniions of Doom team ablity)
Dr Doom (Minions of DOom na dBrilliatn Tactician)
Assuming, Dr Doom had LOF on everyone listed above, he could perplex them all (so long as the 2 wildcards selected FF as their team ability).
From what I understand, if your team was built as follows:
Black Knight (Avenger, using Thunderbolt to copy the original FF team ability)
Invisible Woman (using the Alt-FF Feat card)
Brainiac 5 (with Legion wildcard team ability)
Doombot (with Miniions of Doom team ablity)
Dr Doom (Minions of DOom na dBrilliatn Tactician)
Assuming, Dr Doom had LOF on everyone listed above, he could perplex them all (so long as the 2 wildcards selected FF as their team ability).
Actually, no he couldn't. You could either Perplex Black Knight and all the other wildcards copying the original FF TA (since T-bolts can't copy alt FF) or you could Perplex up Invisible Woman and all the wildcards copying the alt FF TA. The original FF TA and the alt FF TA are two different TAs, so Doom would have to choose between the two.
Or, if you wanted to be sneaky, you could get everyone on that team if you chose to use the Perplex that activates BT on the other TA member. Confused yet? Here goes...
BT requires that Perplex is used in order to get all the bonus Perplexes; you don't get to Perplex anything unless you actually use the power. Now, no mention in the BT description is made about what you need to use Perplex on, just that you use. Frequently, this can be used to Perplex an opposing character (i.e. Perplex down its defense, making it easier for all of your characters to hit it), but the same holds true for friendly characters that do not share the TA.
So Doom (while copying alt FF) could Perplex Black Knight and then use the BT Perplexes on all the remaining characters wildcards (provided they are copying alt FF) and Invisible Woman. Or vice versa.
But if don't do it that way, my original statement stands; there is no way to get them all with one use of Brilliant Tacitician.
I thought of V Taskmaster,but it's too east for him to lose perplex.Dr Doom is more of a powerhouse.Still keeping it in mind though.
If you are going to be using ICWO anyway, a good way to ensure that Tasky always has Perplex is to put Oracle on the card. If he ever gets knocked off his own Perplex, just turn Oracle's dial and viola - He's got Perplex again.
Note, though, that this trick only works for character that already meet the prerequisites for BT. You couldn't do this for, say, REV Mystique since she doesn't naturally have both Outwit and Perplex. Loki is another favorite of mine for this trick; normally, he can't use BT until he's almost KO'd, but with Oracle's help you now have an 8 click, PC-ing, wildcarding, Brilliant Tactician.
prerequisite question.so basically the character has to have perplex on his dial,but it doesn't have to be on his perplex clic if using Oracle?So,If a prerequisite was probability control I could just use CSA?I doubt Superman enemy would count as outwit though.
prerequisite question.so basically the character has to have perplex on his dial,but it doesn't have to be on his perplex clic if using Oracle?
Only if you've given the BT character a power action to turn Oracle's dial to Perplex. The +1 bonus granted by the first part of the card is not Perplex; you must use the second part, with Oracle sitting on the card, and actually gain the power itself.
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So,If a prerequisite was probability control I could just use CSA?
That is an interesting question. The CSA TA clearly says that the characters gain the PC power with no other special conditions (other than the whole placing a token thing), so I'd think 'yes'. However, this has never been an issue before (since there are no feats with prerequisites requiring PC) and if it was allowed, I have to wonder what would happend if Disbanded! was played; since all TAs are ignored for the duration of the game, the PC on CSA characters is effectively gone for good and not coming back...
I guess, the real point, though, is that this is all academic at this point. You have my thoughts on the matter, but until a feat does come along with PC as a prereq, it doesn't really make a difference.
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I doubt Superman enemy would count as outwit though.
Definitely not. Until another Superman Enemy is adjacent to the character it doesn't have Outwit. It does not meet the prerequisites during the team building phase.
That is an interesting question. The CSA TA clearly says that the characters gain the PC power with no other special conditions (other than the whole placing a token thing), so I'd think 'yes'. However, this has never been an issue before (since there are no feats with prerequisites requiring PC) and if it was allowed, I have to wonder what would happend if Disbanded! was played; since all TAs are ignored for the duration of the game, the PC on CSA characters is effectively gone for good and not coming back...
Would it be any different from having the prerequisite power Outwitted?
As I understand it, a character needs to qualify at force construction to be assigned a feat. To actually use the feat during the game they have to meet the prerequisites. So, in this case, a CSA fig would be able to be assigned the feat, as they do have PC at force construction, but as soon as Disbanded hit the table, it would no longer be able to use this theoretical feat.
Not too different from how Brilliant Tactician is nerfed by Disbanded or Overconfidence...
Would it be any different from having the prerequisite power Outwitted?
Yes, in that Disbanded! is a constant effect. Theoretically, you could remove (i.e. KO) a source of Outwit or the Outwitting character decides to use its powers on something else.
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Not too different from how Brilliant Tactician is nerfed by Disbanded or Overconfidence...
Actually, I think it is almost exactly like these situation, now that you mention them. I image it would treated the same way... in other words, if Disbanded! is played, too bad for your feat using characters!!!