Another game my friend and I had today (if you already saw my BT and TB thread) was his "FF" team. All he had was Sue Storm w/the Alt FF TA feat. Then the rest of his clix we're wildcards that wildcarded into the alt FF, thus gaining a blasted 19 D.

Was that a legal team my friend did? Thanks.

Yup, it's legal for wildcards to copy the alt FF TA. However, as a side note, you can never Thunderbolts the alt FF TA.

Yup, it was legal. ATA's can be wildcarded as long as the card text does not say otherwise.

ATA's cannot be thunderbolted though, as they don't meet the pre-requisite of having theTA during the team build phase.

Actually, Im pretty sure you CAN Thunderbolt the Alternate F4 TA.
The only thing is, you need to have an actual F4 member AND the card in play.

When you Thunderbolt Fantastic4, you have the effects of the card.
The only problem is, that once all the REAL (Base-printed) members are KO'ed, the card is gone and you get the original TA's effects.

Im pretty sure thats how it works.....

Nope. You can only get the original FF TA, even if you have alt TA FF characters on your force. It's because Alt FF requires the FF Ability as a prereq which the Avengers don't have. And you have to have the prereqs on your dial before any feats are applied in order to be eligible for a feat.

No. You may not Thunderbolt an Alternate Team Ability. From Hair10's FAQ under the Feats and Thunderbolts section:

Damn, alright thanks guys. Jee, that team is pretty damn brutal. Always having to hit against a 19 defense when all he does is put an item in the corner (the laser turret, specifically) literally, go to that item and be in stealth there, and form barriers around yourself every non pushing chance he got. That is how my friend owned me with that team. I wish I used Isolation or Disbanded.....

Put 2 items in a corner, and have LE Sue and a cheap character with barrier and stealth sit on them, and every round put 4 squares of barrier up around them. Ouch!

Imagine if you could Thunderbolts ATA FF. Antman with a 20 DEFENSE. When the cards first came out, I did that, and Hawkeye on the sled was brutal. 23 Defense from range. 20 from antman (ATA from Avengers to FF), Energy Shield +2, and on an item for +1 =23 THat was a fun team to use.

Thanks,

PILZ/KEVIn

Or Pulse Wave. Or Poison. Or Force Blast.

Alt. FF is indeed brutal, and I won a few tournaments with Sue Storm before deciding to put her back in the tacklebox for awhile. But you do have a number of counters available - Pulse Wave and Poison in particular are never bad to have on your force.

Isolation is probably the best BFC to use against the FF, because it kills the team ability whilst being very easy to build around yourself. Building around Disbanded can be tough.

Nova Blast is a FF ATA killer.

Ult Doctor Doom: They are DOOMED to failure.

Can you use Alicia Masters to Alt FF a Wildcard's defense for healing? If so, that's smart...but a pain!

Yes. You can't use modified values with Support... nothing wrong with replacement values, though. One of the reasons E Dr. Strange (IC) and U Silver Surfer make such good medics for Defenders teams; both of their DVs are pretty low by the time they get Support and they can just use their own DVs instead of their teammates when healing

Wow...yeah, I hate pogs. He basically made any ehal as long as he didn't crit miss.....

A good argument for the "pro retirement" camp.