If I have a team where all of my figures lack team abilities can I use Alpha Strike?

Does this prevent my opponent from getting to use Alpha Strike on me but still allows me to use it on them?

Is there something to prevent this BFC from being used with Vendetta?

Q1 and 2. I don't see why not. It's not like a feat card that you have to meet the prerequisite to play it. I would say you could chose and since you have no team abilities they wouldn't get a choice for the part of the BFC that refers to them.

Q3. I think that you'd be able to use them together. I don't know of anything that prevents that.

You have to have an archenemy to play vendetta. Alpha Strike isn't an archenemy for team construction purposes, and only grants an AE for that round in which it is played. So, if you're not playing the bfc, or someone ordinary days it, you don't meet the requisites. So I say no.

I agree with you 100% but no one said what you are implying. The original question asked if they could be used together. It didn't ask if one could be used to meet the perequisites for vendetta (which i agree that it can't be).

I would say that Alpha Strike would override Vendetta. Vendetta only works when a character's AE is not on the board.

For example: I'm playing Invincible with vendetta. You're playing an X-factor theme team and you play Alpha Strike as your BFC. I, of course, name X-Men as my AE. Then at the beginning of my first turn, when I would choose my Vendetta AE, the Vendetta 'checks' and finds that Invincible already has an AE on the opposing team, thanks to AS, thus negating the benefits of Vendetta, per the card's text (above, in bold).

That makes sense to me, and it should probably be played that way at least until we get an RA, when we'll get something official.

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What?

Man. I totally missed what you are asking. And still am not certain I understand.

I see two problems with you're assesment. First, Vendetta requires the target to be chosen before the first turn, meaning specifically before the first player takes his/her first turn. However, nothing stops that player (assuming he/she has a figure with Vendetta assigned to it) from choosing a target for Vendetta before choosing a TA for AS, (which has no requirement that there not be an existing AE in play). The second problem is that the timing of the two effects is not exactly the same. As was already pointed out, Vendetta's target must be chosen before either player gets to go. Alpha Strike, however, requires each player choose an opposing TA before that player takes his/her first turn. What this means is the second player would choose a target for Vendetta before Player 1s first turn (if he/she was playing Vendetta) but doesn't choose a TA for AS until before his/her first turn, which is after the first player's turn is over.

As I see it, the first player has the choice of which to pick first and there is no doubt that the second player chooses the Vendetta target before choosing a TA for AS, so while its an interesting idea, it doesn't realy fly.

BoT

I have more questions...

Before the beginning of each player’s first turn, that player chooses a team symbol possessed by an opposing character.

Okay, no problem there. One person is definitely picking before the other. If I have a force with no team symbols, and I play this card, I'm sitting pretty. I agree it appears to be open that Vendetta could be chosen first.

All opposing characters with the chosen team symbol are archenemies of all characters on that player’s force until that force defeats an opposing archenemy.

Okay, I mostly get this part. here is what I'm curious about. Assume I am in a mega-game and have a bunch of Avengers, V Surfer and V Bullseye with Vendetta. My opponent has a bunch of MoE figures, U Phonix (Ultimates), and SN Thanos. I am first player. I have V Bullseye declare U Phoenix as his Vendetta target, and for Alpha Strike I pick MoE as the "target" team symbol. On my opponent's turn, he picks Avengers as his "target" team symbol.
Does each situation below END the Alpha Strike?
Thanos KOs Surfer or vice-versa=
Bullseye KOs Phoenix or vice-versa=
Any of my characters KOs an MoE=
Any of his characters KOs an Avenger=

Does Alpha Strike end for both players when one player fulfills the condition or does the player that has not KOd an AE get a chance also?

That player’s characters are not archenemies of opposing characters with the chosen team symbol.
Someone please tell me what this means. I'm lost. if you can use my example from above, or some kind of example that would be great!

Thanos KOs Surfer or vice-versa - If Thanos KOs the Surfer, then your opponent's characters can no longer get AE points for KOing an Avenger.
If the Surfer KOs Thanos, then you can no longer get AE points for KOing a Master of Evil. Bullseye can still get AE points for KOing Phoenix.

Bullseye KOs Phoenix or vice-versa - As above.

Any of my characters KOs an MoE - You get AE points for KOing the Master of Evil. You can't do that again, but your opponent can still get AE points if he KOs an Avenger. Surfer and Bullseye still have archenemies and can earn more AE points.

Any of his characters KOs an Avenger - As above.

The other player still gets a chance.

You've declared that Masters of Evil are your archenemies. Your characters get AE points when they KO the first Master of Evil. However, Masters of Evil do not get AE points for KOing one of your characters (unless it's an Avenger, as described below).

Your opponent has declared that Avengers are his archenemies. His characters get AE points when they KO the first Avenger. However, your Avengers do not get AE points for KOing one of his characters (unless it's a Master of Evil, as described above).

Certainly it could be argued that all of the following situations would end the AS effect for the player that KOed the opposing "AE" figure, but as I see it the AEs that end the effect of the card are exclusively those AEs generated by the effect of the card so the "opposing archenemy" that will end the AS effect for a player are the "opposing characters with the chosen team symbol" from the begining of the sentence. Based on that:No, neither figure possess the TA that was chosen by the opposing player before his/her first turn as part of AS.No, they are AEs of each other only for the effect of Vendetta.Yes, but it only ends the AS effect for You, and any MoE figures you KO thereafter are not going to score double points. Your opponent, however, would still score AE points for the first Avenger he KOs.Yes, but it only ends the AS effect for You, and any Avenger figures he/she KOs thereafter are not going to score double points. You, however, would still score AE points for the first MoE figure KOed (if you haven't already ).
No, KOing an opposing figure with the chosen TA only ends the effect for the player that KOed the figure, and the opposing player would still double up by KOing a figure with the TA that player chose.Normally, two figures are AEs of each other so, Thanos and Silver Surfer are AEs by virtue of having the same base color and different names while being from the same set; Bullseye and Phoenix are AEs due to Vendetta's effect; Sentinals and Morlocks/X-men/Brotherhood figures are AEs due to the original Sentinal rules (though this may be different with the new rules). In these cases if either figure KOs its opposing AE, it scores the AE points for that figure. AS creates a one sided situation, for each player, where player B's figures with the TA chosen by player A are considered AEs of every figure on player A's team, but the figures on player A's team are not considered to be the AEs of the figures with the chosen TA on player B's team and vice-a-verse. To use your example, all of your figures consider all MoE figures to be thier AEs but the MoE figures do not consider all the figures on your team to be their AEs, only the Avengers (as that is the TA your opponent chose for AS). On the other hand, all the figures on your opponents team consider your Avengers to be their AEs but your Avengers only consider the opposing MoE figures (as that is the TA you chose for AS) to be their AEs. Each player's choice only works one way, and that is the value of using it with a TA-free team. I get to score AE points against you and you can't score AE points against me (at least not for AS). Does that make sense?

BoT

Thanks BoT...would you mind (if this hasn't come up yet) bringing up the A.S. AE effect ending because of base/Vendetta AE KOs?

I see exactly where your coming from from an intent p.o.v., but I fear/feel the question is something that should be resolved from a strict rules p.o.v.

"that force defeats an opposing archenemy" is very different from "that force defeats an opposing archenemy created by this condition"