I always thought that you could just RS PW then at a tourney I was told that you had to have at least LOS to one fig to do so.

Yesterday I brought that up and was told PW will nuke a stealth team - no need for LOS.

Which one is true. (I am hoping for that you do not need LOS)

Also is this any where in the FAQ/Erratta?

Thanks

You do have to have an opposing figure within range to pulse wave. You do have to draw line of fire to the targets (ignoring figure bases). However since pulse wave ignores all powers and team abilities it is possible to hit figures in stealth. What exactly was the situation where you were told you could not do the Running Shot Pulse Wave?

Both are correct (sort of).

You do, in fact, need to be able to draw LOF to at least one opposing character to use PW; gone are the days of using PW to get off activation clicks.

However, PW ignores character bases, powers, team abilites, and feats when it is used. So Stealth (or effects that mimic Stealth like the Batman TA) will no prevent PW from drawing LOF. That leaves terrain to block LOF; PW does not ignore terrain. Blocking terrain will prevent LOF from being drawn and hindering terrain will provide a +1 bonus to DV.

And, no, this isn't in any errata. It says it all right in the PAC (just make sure you are using the most recent copy, Danger Room).

Stealth and Batman say that Hindering is treated as Blocking, so I understood it that you needed to be able to target with LoF at least one non-stealth fig in order to PW with RS.

Is there a more confusing power than PW? I submit that there is not.

Well, Suicide Squad is pretty confusing. Especially when you combine it with Pulse Wave.

Pulse Wave ignores all powers and team abilities so it does not matter what Stealth/Batman TA says. You can target stealthed figures w/ pulse wave. In fact it's an excellent way to take a stealthed figure, do a single target pulse wave against them for the full damage. I've never found PW to be all that confusing. It's basically the trump card for most things in the game. There are certain aspects that can get confusing (especially regarding certain Team Abilities and feat cards) but those rarely come up. By itself, Pulse Wave is pretty simple... It was one of my favorite powers back before Nova Blast came out and made it uber-popular.

I was basically told that RS need LOS even if PW does not and that as such I had to have at least one "visible" non-stealthed figure in range.

Given that at the tourney yesterday they all agreed that you can "nuke" batman teams with PW (The judge, his son who know 99.9% of all rules (and dials) and another player who is a judge also agreed) I have basically decided that from now on I will bring the current rules, errata, etc to a tourney and defend my understanding of the rules (though not if it is going to delay the game unduly)

This is the way i figure it: RS requires you to move half your speed and make a ranged attack/action. Pulse wave is such an action that occurs after the running portion. Therefore you need to only make one legal (i.e. non-stealthed, opposing) target after the RS to use pulse wave.

I think pulse wave rocks (especially since it only ignores the powers within its halved range!

I have another question though. Can a figure with Pulse Wave and Probability Control use their PC if they miss? PW only ignores powers on figures within the halved range?

Correct...

I mild misconception as RS only requires LoS to a Target:

PAC Entry
1. The misconception comes from the fact that the target to which you draw LoF for RS does not need to be the target that you will attack.

2. Any target is valid and LoF has no range. So you can target any opposing figure even 400 squares away

3. Any target is valid and LoF does not require it to be an opposing figure. You can target your own characters upto 400 squares away from the RS destination since the LoF requirement is not an attack.

4. Any target is valid and LoF does not require it to even be an actual figure. You can target a wall, an object, blocking terrain or even an indoor map edge up to 400 squares away.


So yes PW and RS should work just fine against a Stealthed figure.

Hang on.. are you saying that pulse wave doesn't rely on the character's range to hit anyone?

Eg.. Magneto (armour wars unique) has a range of 10. he can see a unique Thanos (supernova unique) 5 squares away, and a rookie Song bird (fantastic forces? rookie) is sat behind Thanos. Does this mean that Song bird is also affected by the pulse wave?

according to the P&A sheet, Pulse wave is defined thussly:
Give this character a ranged combat action; halve the range value until the action resolves..

the only way the pulse wave can hit 400 squares away is if your character's range is 800 squares!.

Nah, he's using hyperbole to address the issue with Running Shot. He's saying that the figure you target to be able to use Running Shot doesn't have to be the figure you end up attacking, nor does it have to be in range to make it a target, you simply can't attack that particular target that you targeted. I think that's what he means...

Either way, it's inconsequential since using Pulse Wave as the Ranged Combat Action portion of Running Shot will allow you to ignore all feats, powers, and team abilities, and therefore target a Stealthed figure just fine.

If you're doing a Running Shot with any power other than Pulse Wave, then yes, you DO need to be able to draw a LoF to a target character. However, Pulse Wave DOES NOT 'target' a character (see the Danger Room PAC). You simply 'draw lines of fire to every character (friendly and opposing) within range' of the Pulse Wave (barring figures behind blocking terrain). So there's another tack you could take, if you were trying to bypass the whole 'targetting / Stealth' issue with your judge...
Hope that helps!
-jason

I was told that to stop a person from using Pulsewave then to either outwit it or base the person. Is this thru that pulsewave can be stopped by basing the person with pulsewave ?

Only if the Pulsewaver is a non-flyer and you base him with another non-flyer.

A flying character can always pulse wave as long as it hasn't been outwitted.