Ive played at 3 CoG tourneys this week and someone has got to be right and someone has got to be wrong...

On this map, when standing on the elevated terrain can you shoot over the tank and the walls on the side of the map or not?

Also, when a giant is on the opposite side of grounded blocking terrain such as the tank or the walls, is there line of fire available? How about the elevated terrain same situation and giant figure?

And lastly, when Wastelands in played on this map, does it affect only the elevated terrain or the blocking terrain as well + do the edges of this map count as walls?

Thanks

Depends on what you mean. From the LoSH rules (page 33):


So if your elevated character is trying to shoot at a grounded character, no.

An otherwise clear line of fire between an elevated character and a grounded character is blocked by giant characters and colossal characters; hindering terrain does not affect a line of fire drawn between an elevated character and a grounded character unless the target occupies a square of hindering terrain.

Notice here it makes an exception for hindering terrain and LOF. This exception is only for hindering terrain, so other types of terrain (including blocking) can be assumed to be handled normally. This includes blocking terrain preventing LOF from being drawn.

Also, on the same page:

Elevated terrain can’t be destroyed. If a line of fire between two grounded characters crosses the boundary line of elevated terrain, it is blocked. The line of fire between an attacker on elevated terrain and a target on elevated terrain is not blocked by elevated terrain boundary lines; however, colossal characters, elevated characters, and the boundary lines of other types of elevated terrain still affect and block the line of fire normally.


This indicates that if the blocking terrain was elevated (like the air conditioners on the roofs of some of the old maps), then it would indeed block LOF between elevated characters. However, all blocking terrain on this map is grounded; it will not prevent LOF from being drawn between two elevated characters.

No. From the LoSH rule book, pages 42 and 43:

To determine if a character 2 squares away has become adjacent to a giant character, use a straight edge or draw an imaginary line from the center of the giant character’s square to the center of the target’s square. If the line crosses blocking terrain and the target is grounded
or elevated, then the characters are not adjacent, or if the line crosses elevated terrain and both characters are grounded, then the characters are not adjacent. Otherwise the characters are adjacent.

Wastelands makes no mention of blocking terrain; it remains unaffected.

The map edges are simply map edges. While they may behave similarly to walls in some respects (knockback, for example), they are not walls... ask any poor soul who tried to use the map edge to activate Camoflauge

Yeah, I had to re-read wasteland a couple times when someone played it. Walls and elevated terrain is all it lists, so the tank stayed as it was. It made the tank all the more important on that map LOL!

Interestingly, a Giant figure ON elevated would be able to draw line of fire to a grounded giant behind Blocking Terrain as both figures exist at Elevated.

Sometimes its so weird...

Oops! Missed that and rubbled the tank last night

No. If a LOF crosses blocking terrain, it's blocked.


Same answer as above.

No, they would not. LOF is drawn from fig base to fig base. If that LOF crosses blocking terrain, the ranged attack cannot be made.

If both giants were on elevated terrain, they would have LOF to each other.

wtf..

so if someone is standing on a rooftop, they cant see someone standing beside a car?
...isnt that the entire point of going up high, so you can see things?

Yeah, except 1) cars are generally considered hindering terrain on Heroclix maps, not blocking and 2) when a person is crouched down right next to a wall or some other blocking thing, it can be very hard to see them even if you are up higher.

Bottom line, though, is points 1 and 2 are just rationalizations. The rules say what the rules say, no matter what kind of little stories we make up to go with them

If the LOF crosses blocking terrain, its blocked. It's really as simple as that.

No I know, I get it.
I just hate Wizkids sometimes.
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