One More Day sucked! It was awful! It's on par with the Clone Sage [well, near the end]. I even made a thread that compared the two!

So Brand New Day comes. Everyone seems to hate it too. Sooooo I decided to pick it up. And you know what....story-wise it wasn't that bad. It has some promising features. Although, I don't know what all the hoop-lah was about teh Bugle buyout, I mean Puma once bought it out. And now it's back wtih JJ.

Anyways, I read it with an open mind, and like I said it was promising. I felt like it was how I felt about Ben Reilly as Spider-Man. I hate the diea, and wanted the status quo. However, the stories with Ben Reilly weren't terrible. The problem was the baggage. With the context of how they got to Ben Reilly, it made it feel awkward, and there was still a sense of hatred for those stories. I felt the same with BND. I think it's beneficial in teh long run, however the nagging baggage of Peter making a deal with the devil really brings it down.

I cheered when the status quo weas brought back to Peter after teh Clone Saga debacle. I think I would cheer when Peter somehow beats teh devil or something. I don't mind single Peter, but the aftertaste of hwo it ended really sours my enjoyment of BND.

I'll still read BND, and check it out for at least a few months [at least until I read the stories from all 4 writers] before I drop the book. Part of me wants to liek this book, part of me does like this book, but a par tof me hates how the status quo was reached.

How about everyone who ACTUALLY read it? If you ignore the baggage, it's not too bad, right? I mean, there were worse continuity problems with other heroes in the past, right? So we can forgive OMD right? Well.....I'm not sure I'll forgive OMD, but....

I've been reading Spider-man (Amazing, Spectacular Web of...) since 1984. OMD made me drop everything!

The whole this was so disrespectful to readers whop invented their time into following Spider-man! EVEN the clone saga was better implemented than OMD!

It's time that Joe Q realizes that he work for MARVEL, not DC! Marvel characters have a tradition and history that in contiguous! DC has character that have been restarted so many times that I just don't care about what they did, but what they are doing these days...that's why I'm down to reading just Black Canary and Green Arrow from DC these days.

Just a few months ago I was reading almost every Super Hero related book from both Marvel and DC! I'm done with it!

My problem with it (and the reason I won't read it) is the whole "change is bad" mentality attached to it.

no way man, no way.

Right, I totally agree that OMD was complete bull. It can be argued that DC does this stuff all the time [with Crisis and what not]. And Marvel is just trying to pull a DC, and go back to the 80s [like when Peter is hanging out with Harry who didn't know he was GG, and MJ left Peter after he proposed to her].

However, despite the baggage, has anyone actaully tried to read it with an open mind? Even though it's hard?

Well, didn't you say you were boycotting Marvel anyways, since they killed off Steve Rogers? So it's not like you'll read it anyways.

he he he. Yep. it's true. But is not boycoring. is more like the Dead of Cap is a nice point to "end" a story. In this case the story of the Marvel Universe for me.

I have read it, and I honestly didn't find it terribly hard. In spite of the fact that I'm a huge fan of Spider-Man, I wasn't terribly insulted by OMD. It was a terrible story to be sure, but I've read many terrible Spider-Man stories before, so I've gotten over it. Continuity is another issue, but I don't want to retread an argument I've already had in another thread.

Now as for BND itself, I thought it was pretty good. Nothing spectacular (no pun intended), but a decent start. If it continues to build the way it has been, I think it could end up being a decent run. However, it may just be that it's leading with its strongest creative team, and if that's the case, things could get rough as the months roll on. I'd be perfectly fine if it switched back to a monthly with Dan Slott handling the writing and Steve McNiven doing the art.

Also, I don't think it's a case of forgiving Marvel for anything. If I saw Joe Q I'd ask for my money back, but unless he was intentionally trying to create a #### story, it was an honest mistake. I believe Joe Q is more then capable of creating a story like OMD and thinking it's actually good.

I will not be reading this.

I have no great attachment to the character of Spider-Man. I follow writers, not characters. Saves me from buying lots and lots of terrible comics. Imagine being a hardcore X-Men fan and shelling out for two or three years of Chuck Bloody austen comics that you know you'll hate even before you read them.
I came on board with Straczynski, and I'll be leaving with him.

That said, I usually give the new creative teams a month or two or so to win me over, but not this time.
The emotional core of the book, which to me was the Peter/MJ relationship, has been removed. And Peter is now a spineles little weasel who'll make demonic deals rather than face up to his mistakes.

Deciding factor: there is pretty much nothing in comics that I loathe more than misplaced nostalgia. Chuck Austen was horrible, but at least he was trying to tell new stories rather than doing reruns of whatever he liked when he was twelve.

They at least could have gotten rid of that roadkill tribble that Harry Osborn wears on his head...

I just have a really hard time ignoring the baggage that you're talking about. As they say, gold plated #### is still ####. I read the online preview of it and the art was pretty but the writing is going to be forever hampered by the new status quo. Anytime the writer wants to reference something in the past, he can't just do it, he now has to explain the *new* way it is instead of the way it used to be. And as far as there being worse continuity problems with other heroes in the past, well I honestly can't think of any right now that give me more of a headache than this one does. I suppose my point is really this: Why should we have to put up with it? Why should we have to ignore the baggage? I'd rather just not buy a book that I'd be endlessly frustrated with and wait until it's good again and not constantly struggling to come up from air because it's drowning in the sticky mess that is One More Day.

I grew up on Mary Jane. I don't want anyone else with Spidey. I hate everything about the story. I dislike where this will take other stories too. I like New Avengers, what is going to happen in that? What about all the stuff with Iron Man? All the Iron Spider stuff should be gone as well. I also dislike the fact that we will never get a cool Mary Jane click now. BAH to Joey Q!

It's not too bad...
There were worse...

Not really ringing endorsements. "Not too bad" is simply not good enough to bother with.

... And Carabas hits the nail on the head.

There are plenty of old Spider-Man stories to read that were under the edict of the Quesadilla, so why bother if "there are worse"?

edit: You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Carabas again.

Well said, Carabas, even that last bit about Harry's hair (I spit up cherry coke all over my monitor...and I wasn't even drinking cherry coke....)

(I still believe Chuck Austen has a few good stories in him, somewhere...and so much of the #### he wrote was the result of editorial mandates like "Retcon Xorneto" or "Make Nightcrawler not a Priest")

As for BND, my feeling is this:

a) Comics customers need to learn to vote with their wallets. The fact that ULTIMATES 3 #1 sold out gives me very little hope for the medium, y'know?

b) Look at Iron Man. The location of his origin was (necessarily) retconned from Vietnam to Afghanistan so subtly that we hardly noticed. But a deal with the devil? Please! Regardless of your opinion of the retcon itself, it was done with such heavy-handedness and disrespect for the readership..."It's magic; we don't need to explain it," is a failure condition.

c) If you absolutely, positively cannot live without a 616 Spidey fix, then you could do a lot worse than Dan Slott.