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For those who just hate DC for the past few years, thanks mainly to Dan DiDo.... DC's version of Joey Q, or Jim Shooter [except less successful], can finally rejoice!
There's an interesting article in io9 regarding rumors on his imminent demise. Hopefully it'll happen soon. Especially after Final Crisis.
Now if only Joe Quesada can leave Marvel, then the industry might re-invigorate a lot of readers. Although given the sales right now, it's not likely....
What do you guys think? Do you think Dan Dido is the best thing to happen to DC since....I don't remember when the last time DC had something really good happen.... Or do you think Dan Dido deserves his fate into obscurity like Bob Harras?
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Granted, I haven't picked up a book since midway through 52, but personally I thought Identity Crisis was great, Infinite Crisis was good, 52 was good...I just never read Countdown (except Arena) and Final Crisis' lead-ins (but am reading Final Crisis.
With that in mind, what's all the hate about?
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I've never understood the hate either, honestly. Of course, I don't really peruse Newsarama frequently enough to read his every interview, so if he's said some thing that set off fandom, I wouldn't know.
FWIW, from a business standpoint, his clock is probably ticking anyways. DC had been a little more competitive with Marvel, sales wise, toward the beginning of Didio's tenure. But at this point, they're a pretty distant second. I don't know if Final Crisis is going to change that. What needs to change, I'd probably be the last one to guess. Marvel sells more than DC, but I'm the guy that pretty much dropped all his Marvel books last year and increased his DC reading. No pulse here on what the average reader wants.
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Granted, I haven't picked up a book since midway through 52, but personally I thought Identity Crisis was great, Infinite Crisis was good, 52 was good...I just never read Countdown (except Arena) and Final Crisis' lead-ins (but am reading Final Crisis.
With that in mind, what's all the hate about?
Personally for me, the hate isn't for specific stuff. Sinestro Corp was good. Identity Crisis was solid. Infinite Crisis was ok...it was fine until it was rushed at the end, plus the controversy with multiple artists. But with something solid form DC, we get like 5 bad ideas.
The problem is, all the hate is from the editorial mismanagement. This is evident with the end of 52, as it seems too rushed. There's also an oversaturation of crossovers that don't seem consistent. Writers don't have the true freedom they were promised they would have when they signed to be exclusive at DC. DiDo was making decisions left and right, and changing it after a while. It's like he has PMS. One month he wanted to kill of Wally West Flash and replace him with Bart Allen Flash. Then next month he decides to kill of Bart and bring back Wally. Then he lets Jim Shooter kill off the New Gods, then chagnes his mind mid-way through, and forces Shooter to change the story to match Final Crisis somehow, and while he's at it, shoehorn the plot into Countdown. The list goes on and on.
It's the inconsistencies of teh decisions he makes that kills a lot of potential stories. You'll get some gems, when stories are left untouched, like Sinestro War. I mean, you didn't see that crossover shoe-horned into everything. Too much is going on in DC at once that it just looks like mud. Remember, red, blue and yellow together makes brown.
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Personally for me, the hate isn't for specific stuff. Sinestro Corp was good. Identity Crisis was solid. Infinite Crisis was ok...it was fine until it was rushed at the end, plus the controversy with multiple artists. But with something solid form DC, we get like 5 bad ideas.
The problem is, all the hate is from the editorial mismanagement. This is evident with the end of 52, as it seems too rushed. There's also an oversaturation of crossovers that don't seem consistent. Writers don't have the true freedom they were promised they would have when they signed to be exclusive at DC. DiDo was making decisions left and right, and changing it after a while. It's like he has PMS. One month he wanted to kill of Wally West Flash and replace him with Bart Allen Flash. Then next month he decides to kill of Bart and bring back Wally. Then he lets Jim Shooter kill off the New Gods, then chagnes his mind mid-way through, and forces Shooter to change the story to match Final Crisis somehow, and while he's at it, shoehorn the plot into Countdown. The list goes on and on.
It's the inconsistencies of teh decisions he makes that kills a lot of potential stories. You'll get some gems, when stories are left untouched, like Sinestro War. I mean, you didn't see that crossover shoe-horned into everything. Too much is going on in DC at once that it just looks like mud. Remember, red, blue and yellow together makes brown.
Starlin wrote DotNG. Shooter is writing Legion of Super Heroes, which was somewhat controversial in and of itself...but that's because Shooter is controversial.
I think my 'problem' with DiDio is that DC has become 'Death Comics' over the course of his tenure, which I think is likely to cause any fan to eventually not like what you are doing. In some of the stories, it seems like the deaths weren't even serving the story, which is the only kind of death you should have when major characters die. What was the payoff of Bart Allen dying, for example? I have my favorites that died, but there were business decisions (or lawsuits) that made it allowable, but even those deaths should serve the story. I'm STILL trying to figure out the end of Infinite Crisis.
I like DC well enough, but I'm getting major 'event fatigue.' When you have an event that runs more or less continuous for 3 years, it's not an "event" any more, it's just the regular storyline. It feels like there's no resolution on the horizon - that one event just feeds into the next. I've totally lost interest.
I'll note, btw, that Marvel isn't any better as far as I'm concerned.
In the long run, a shakeup here and there isn't necessarily a bad thing. Especially if the person in charge doesn't have the support of his editors, writers, or the fans. (In Joey's case, he has the first 2, but not the 3rd.)
Starlin wrote DotNG. Shooter is writing Legion of Super Heroes, which was somewhat controversial in and of itself...but that's because Shooter is controversial.
I think my 'problem' with DiDio is that DC has become 'Death Comics' over the course of his tenure, which I think is likely to cause any fan to eventually not like what you are doing. In some of the stories, it seems like the deaths weren't even serving the story, which is the only kind of death you should have when major characters die. What was the payoff of Bart Allen dying, for example? I have my favorites that died, but there were business decisions (or lawsuits) that made it allowable, but even those deaths should serve the story. I'm STILL trying to figure out the end of Infinite Crisis.
Bah, sorry, I meant Starlin, not Shooter. I know the difference . My mistake on that one.
Also, I agree on the 'Death' comment. To think he also wanted to kill of Nightwing. This guy knows little about the characters, I guess.
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Bah, sorry, I meant Starlin, not Shooter. I know the difference . My mistake on that one.
Also, I agree on the 'Death' comment. To think he also wanted to kill of Nightwing. This guy knows little about the characters, I guess.
Hey, no problem. I only bothered to correct you because of Shooter's OWN controversy.
And yes...DiDio did want to kill off Nightwing as being 'redundant'. The funny thing is, how his book was going at the time, he WAS redundant. I'd never agree to killing him off, however.
My beef with DiDio is that he allowed my favorite character to get written out of his own book -- even out of his own NAME -- and then when the new version failed anyway, he seems to not have allowed the real version to return despite fan and creator desires to the contrary.
I speak of Aquaman.
I also can't stand all the character-killing.
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The only thing that gets to me is non-stop character death.
When every other "event" is basically a "kill them all" fest, the character death loses its impact. It has gotten to the point that when I saw... *FINAL CRISIS SPOILERS*
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J'onn get impaled and murdered
I wasn't filled with anger. I wasn't filled with sadness. I rolled my eyes and turned the page. The last death that meant something to me was Captain America, and that's mostly because I'm a Brubaker fanboy (I'll admit it, and therefore not allow myself to "review" any of his stuff, since he could take a carp on paper and I'd call it genius).
My beef with DiDio is that he allowed my favorite character to get written out of his own book -- even out of his own NAME -- and then when the new version failed anyway, he seems to not have allowed the real version to return despite fan and creator desires to the contrary.
I speak of Aquaman.
I also can't stand all the character-killing.
I don't mind character killing. But it has to make some sort of impact. When you start killing characters left and right, it lessens the impact, because a death doesn't become important, it becomes routine. I understand that it makes death a constant threat, and that it helps emphasize the mortality of the characters, but too much death cheapens a character's importance. If death becomes routine, then an important character's death becomes routine. This means all their importance becomes undermined by some routine end.
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