Please help me out here...
Just a ruling at a local event...
Thor and Loki duo.... with Avengers and Mystics....
Can you TB to Crossgen and then do 2 damage to everyone that hits you...
PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS BS...
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Chris

Yes you can. Since crossgen is a different team ability than mystics it is perfectly legal.

For further back-up, do a search for SI Jarvis threads; he has both Skrulls and Avengers. He can T-bolt to Danger Girl for two Skrull-ish rolls.

Take 2 damage from an attack, and let's not forget retaliation, pym particles and damage shield for a total of 4 damage lol

ridiculous.... wow...

Pym Particles does not deal any damage.

It either makes the character a giant or gives the character a +1 DV to ranged attacks.

Prerequisites: , Avengers {symbol}

Choose a character.

Once per game, choose one - the character has the damage symbol; or the character modifies its defense value by +1 against ranged combat attacks. The chosen effects last until the end of the game.

To be honest. T-bolting to Arachnos or Cross-Gen is overkill. I think I will try Batman Team Ability though.

And the piece is made for Immortal Contempt and with Inside Info as well it means just pieces with "cosmic" keyword is not subject to a bonus on Thor and Lokis attackvalue.

For that feat, i was aiming how he still can use it even with thunderbolting to crossgen and making thor/loki harder to hit or becoming a giant and using shakeoff for more damage

This is the one thing that NBPerp hasn't commented on today that I would REALLY like an official word on.

HEY NORM!!!!

why would he need to comment on it?
Norm has stated many times if the ruling exist and people point you to where to find it hes not gonna come in and say yes this person is right.

This was ruled on in SI with jarvis having both Skrull/Avenger TA's.
It was ruled that he could not T-bolt to Skrull/Skrull due to same TA.
It was ruled that he could t-bolt to Skrull/Danger Girl Different TA's but with same outcome.
People are only complaining b/c they don't like mystic as is, now you take two? this is where its all coming from IMO.

just use dissent or skrull yellow jacket, or when you attack loki/thor make sure you hit him as hard as possible lol

Not sure what you're looking for from me. I can maybe see an errata that you can't use TBolts for Mystics by saying something like "When a character already can use or possesses a team ability, selecting it with Thunderbolts would overlap the 2, not stack them." But even if that were issued (and I'm not indicating that it is) things like Crossgen and Arachnos would require you to be REALLY technical and change that to "When a character can use or possess the mechanics of a team ability, selecting it with Thunderbolts..."

There are a lot of good reasons to argue against retirement. This is a golden reason why it exists. Love it or hate it, game designers need to be able to move forward and do cool/exciting things like Thor/Loki without having to worry about everything that exists.

From a rules perspective, I totally agree that retired mechanics need to be supported so that they reflect the intent. Wordings on things like feats should evolve as new game effects and technical definitions do and that should apply to retired stuff. I'll speak more on this later.

But to argue that something new/shiny is too overpowering when considering a retired game piece, the counterargument is... retirement.

well said, just like how people ##### about powerman and ironfist with haymaker...haymaker is retired let it go, in a restricted tourny your good, in a unrestricted tourney...well let's just get some cheese ready with all the whinning that will begin lol

I hope they remake T-bolt but make the Pre-req Keyword Thunderbolts.
Just like they did in this set with the Runaways and the Guardians of the Galaxy.

one funny thing did occur..in our unrestricted tourny, one guy #####ed about me using haymaker with powerman and ironfist and made a real big stink, even as going far to vote on a house rule where i take the 1 unavoidable damage and his only reason was these feats came out before indomidable and weren't ment to be used like this.AND!? lol....please i hate house rules, there for loser who can't play, but anyways the same player use the new ultron and nova blast in our next tourny lol