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Would the Manhunter's Power Battery SP grant him 2 clicks of healing if he dealt damage to two separate targets via Ambidextrous?
In addition, would the damage dealt using Stunning Blow count as damage dealt from an attack?
From the Power Battery text:
"...when its ranged combat attack causes an opposing character to take damage."
Thanks in advance!
i would say yes he would heal from stunning blow as damage dealt as long as it was a ranged attack.
in regards to the two clicks of healing with ambidextrous it seems he would get healed for two since Steal Energy activates each time you damage an opposing figure.
I'd say no. The way I see it, it's a yes or no question: Was an opposing figure damaged?
If the answer is yes, then you heal a click.
If the answer is no, then you do not heal a click.
If you deal damage to two opposing figures... the answer to the question is 'yes'.
Note that this is different from the Flurry/Steal Energy combo as Flurry lets you make two separate attacks which deal damage separately.
I'd say no. The way I see it, it's a yes or no question: Was an opposing figure damaged?
If the answer is yes, then you heal a click.
If the answer is no, then you do not heal a click.
If you deal damage to two opposing figures... the answer to the question is 'yes'.
Note that this is different from the Flurry/Steal Energy combo as Flurry lets you make two separate attacks which deal damage separately.
Right, he may be targeting two characters, but it is still one attack (one attack roll compared to both DVs, split the damage, etc).
Since it is a single attack, he is healed one click.
I'd say no. The way I see it, it's a yes or no question: Was an opposing figure damaged?
If the answer is yes, then you heal a click.
If the answer is no, then you do not heal a click.
If you deal damage to two opposing figures... the answer to the question is 'yes'.
This looks to me like an instance of reading too much into the generic nature of the text. We've already established that when the text says "a" or "an" as opposed to "a single ___" that these incidents can be generalized. Just look at the thread regarding Ambidextrous and Punisher's Chaingun.
I believe the most logical interpretation of "when its ranged combat attack causes an opposing character to take damage" does not limit the number of times the criterion may be satisfied in any temporal sense, nor does it refer to an "attack roll".
Using your phrase, if you deal damage to two opposing figures... the answer to the question is 'yes, twice'.
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This looks to me like an instance of reading too much into the generic nature of the text. We've already established that when the text says "a" or "an" as opposed to "a single ___" that these incidents can be generalized. Just look at the thread regarding Ambidextrous and Punisher's Chaingun.
Is there an official ruling on that interpretation?
As a side note, maybe Ambidextrous should just be renamed 'Can of Worms'...
This looks to me like an instance of reading too much into the generic nature of the text. We've already established that when the text says "a" or "an" as opposed to "a single ___" that these incidents can be generalized. Just look at the thread regarding Ambidextrous and Punisher's Chaingun.
It is still one attack, though. Doesn't matter if he hits one character or 20 (yeah, I know that's an exaggeration)... it all comes from one, single attack.
And per the wording of the SP it is the attack, not the number of charactes damaged, that is the imporant part.
I think the benchmark for "number of attacks" should be the number of times you rolled the dice.
If a Pulsewave effects 1 piece or five pieces, and whether those pieces are played by 1 opponent or more than one, there was only one roll of the dice made for the one attack.
Even before Ambidextrious, for pieces that have more than one bolt, they only make one attack roll.
If you want an example of a piece that can make two seperate range attacks, look at the special power of Two Gun Kid: FANFIRE: Give Two Gun Kid a ranged combat action he makes two separate ranged combat attacks as free actions (making two separate attack rolls against two different target opposing characters) Resolve the first attack before making the second.
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Is there an official ruling on that interpretation?
No, but read what nbperp wrote yesterday concerning the use of Contingency Plan in Marvel Boy's SP (which grants two attacks within one action):
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We have a feat modifying the attack value. Now one can argue that the above quote refers to "the attack roll" in the singular, and therefore doesn't apply to the Incap (second) roll. I would disagree. The rulebook is written generically, and therefore wouldn't need to address a feat card applying to more than one attack within an action.
... now, that was referring to a different circumstance (CP being active for "the attack roll" when in fact two such rolls are made), however I see a strong analogy for a situation where "an opposing character" in the Manhunter text could be a generic way to indicate "an attack ... that damages ANY opposing character", whereupon there's nothing limiting the effect to being satisfied only once by an attack roll.
So, to be clear: ""...when its ranged combat attack causes an opposing character to take damage" can, for a single attack against many targets, be a condition that gets satisfied more than once.
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So, to be clear: ""...when its ranged combat attack causes an opposing character to take damage" can, for a single attack against many targets, be a condition that gets satisfied more than once.
Given the way the SP is worded, it really does seem to be a yes or no matter, like Quebbster already mentioned.
Did Manhunter make a ranged combat attack? Yes/No
Did the ranged combat attack damage a character? Yes/No
As long as both questions are answered yes, he heals a click. There is nothing there, though, that would indicate that 'damage a character' condition would be checked more than once. It is either yes (for one character or 100) or no (for zero).
Given the way the SP is worded, it really does seem to be a yes or no matter, like Quebbster already mentioned.
Did Manhunter make a ranged combat attack? Yes/No
Did the ranged combat attack damage a character? Yes/No
As long as both questions are answered yes, he heals a click. There is nothing there, though, that would indicate that 'damage a character' condition would be checked more than once. It is either yes (for one character or 100) or no (for zero).
There is nothing there that says you can ONLY check the condition once, either. Stepping outside Heroclix think for a moment: if I read to you a text that says "when you bake a pie in the oven, receive $10", and I go ahead and bake two pies in the oven, would you argue that logically I deserve $10, or $20?
Norm may rule it one way or another, but a logical interpretation is straightforward - when condition A is met, receive B. Therefore, for each incident it can be shown that I am meeting condition A (whether simultaneous or sequential), I receive B.
The only exception is I can't point to the same incidence of A unlimited times, just as I can't keep pointing to one pie and expecting to be paid for it ad infinitum.
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There is nothing there that says you can ONLY check the condition once, either. If I read to you a text that says "when you bake a pie in the oven, receive $10", and I go ahead and bake two pies in the oven, would you argue that logically I deserve $10, or $20?
Depends.
Did you bake them at the same time (one attack) on two separate racks ()?
Or did you bake one (one attack) and then the other (a second attack)?
If the first, $10 (heal one click).
If the second, $20 (heal one click and then heal a second).
Did you bake them at the same time (one attack) on two separate racks ()?
Or did you bake one (one attack) and then the other (a second attack)?
If the first, $10 (heal one click).
If the second, $20 (heal one click and then heal a second).
Heh, well of course we are speaking about two pies baked simultaneously in the oven (one attack), however from an intuitive perspective, is it not evident that the "reward" is on a per-pie basis, not a per-use-of-oven basis? I know my analogy is odd, but I'm compelled to argue that the power as worded rewards "damaging an opposing character" no matter how it occurs.
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