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Just wondering if there will ever be errata for incorrect keywords.
I understand that a character shouldn't have keywords for every single team it has been affiliated with.
I believe that keywords should be assigned by the rank of the character, since this is used to loosely represent the time period of that figure. (REV, U, LE, etc.)
I also believe that keywords should figure in the point cost of a figure. A set amount of points per keyword, or a similar formula would make sense.
But is what I want to ##### and moan about, and hopefully to make a difference, are those just outright blatant erroneous keywords that have been assigned, or lack thereof for certain figures.
Just to name a few that I think should have keyword changes:
Iron Man - LE - Supernova #217 (Mark XII, Mark I Armor; a.k.a. Silver Centurion) - Anthony Stark
It is an absolute travesty to all Iron Man fans that this Iron Man incorrectly has the Avengers keyword. It should have the West Coast Avengers keyword.
In the name of comic-book accuracy, I use him on my WCA teams at the expense of any keyword bonuses.
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Absorbing Man - Veteran - Mutations and Monsters #019 - Carl "Crusher" Creel
Another inexcusable mistake! Why or why, by the comic book gods, does this figure have the Wrecking Crew keyword?
I understand how he got it. Someone mistook him for that other guy with a ball & chain, you know, Thunderball.
Never, ever, has Absorbing Man ever been a member of the Wrecking Crew. Not once, not twice, NEVER! He has been on the Masters of Evil, along with the Wrecking Crew, but never a member of the WC.
Being the Veteran, this Absorbing Man should have two keywords: Frightful Four and Masters of Evil (whom, being a veteran, would have been in the 5th incarnation of the MoE.)
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Nick Fury - U - Clobberin' Time #86
This one is so obvious, that the person who left the S.H.I.E.L.D. keyword off this figure should be dipped in a large vat of boiling honey and thrown in a giant ant pile.
How the hell was the S.H.I.E.L.D. keyword left off of this figure. He's only NICK FURY AGENT AND THEN DIRECTOR OF S.H.I.E.L.D. Maybe you've heard about S.H.I.E.L.D.?
But the really funny thing is... He's wearing a damn S.H.I.E.L.D. uniform with a S.H.I.E.L.D. patch on it. If that didn't given the person assigning the keywords a hint that he was forgetting something... he's a lost soul, and should spend eternity in hell reading Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD comic books.
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That's just three figures that are glaring examples of keyword malpractice.
Any hope that these mistakes can be corrected? After all, keywords aren't the Ten Commandments. They aren't written in stone, and you won't get struck by lighting by HaShem if you change them.
Wasn't there a keyword revision with the last list of errata? I seem to recall that at least a few things were changed. Maybe I just made that up...
Personally I want more consistency on generic keywords and most location specific ones. I'd like to be able to grab a Superman from my old figures box and be able to assume that he has Metropolis and Reporter without having to look it up.
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If I was the kinda guy who put things like this in his sig, I'd put these things in my sig.
The JLA, Justice League and Justice League of America keywords are a mess. Morrison's JLA members do not all have JLA, and many members of the original Justice League of America lack the keyword.
And in the generic keywords, I never understoof why the Question (Origin) would not have Martial Artist, as he studied with DC's best martial artist.
The big one for me is cable with the New WARRIORS keyword. That ones pretty obvious. Ultimate Electro also got 616 Electros keywords for some reason.
'The game used to be built around many fundamental rules. But there are a number of figures that fly in the face of those rules. Their powers are too all encompassing, and too cheap.' -MegaLotusMan
The JLA, Justice League and Justice League of America keywords are a mess. Morrison's JLA members do not all have JLA, and many members of the original Justice League of America lack the keyword.
And in the generic keywords, I never understoof why the Question (Origin) would not have Martial Artist, as he studied with DC's best martial artist.
I feel your pain concerning JLA and Justice League, and Justice League of America keywords. I'm not familiar with DC, but maybe it's because of timeline issues.
For example: Avengers, West Coast Avengers, Young Avengers, etc..., They are all Avengers, but are Avengers from different time periods, or completely different rosters.
In regards to Question and the martial artist keyword. In my opinion, that is being a bit nit picky.
No offense, but ask yourself this question (no pun intended):
Which comic book character in the comics isn't a martial artist, mutant, scientist, soldier, or warrior? Those keywords fit about 99.9999% of all comic book characters in existence. Should all figures have one of the five keywords?
In my opinion, that is the problem with generic keywords. Some of them are sooooo generic that they shouldn't be used.
But this threads purpose is for pointing out those glaring omissions, or lack thereof... for specific characters, regarding non-Generic keywords.
Just all the justice league justice league. Then make omgea red weapon x. Oh & avengers avengers.
I wouldn't want to have just one big umbrella for all Avengers. I really like the different Avengers TA, and I think we need more: Mighty Avengers, New / Secret Avengers, Avengers: The Initiative, etc.
It would allow us to build comic-accurate theme teams, which was the whole intention of keywords to begin with.
If you're not worrying about generics, fine, but it's kinda what he did. Would you leave it off Mantis or Taskmaster? For that matter, there ought to be an Archer keyword.
In the case of the JLA, it more like the difference between Cap's Kooky Quartet and Chuck Austen's Avengers-- completely different rosters from a completely era-- only in this case, they have a slightly different name (Justice League of America, Justice League, JLI, JLA). Which wouldn't be so annoying, except they got a whole mess of them wrong. If they're just given them all one "JLA" keyword and let they players make up the accurate rosters, all would be well.
It's not the same thing as Young Avengers, WCA, as those were splinter teams. JLA has those too, but I'm just talking about the main JLA team from any era. The plinter teams JL Europe, JL Task Force, Young Justice, JL Elite-- they did OK with those.
The point is, they segmented them by era, *and then put the wrong keywords on them, so you cannot actually build accurate rosters from any given era-- a keyword theme forces mixing of eras*
Oh, another rant-- Green Lantern villains. 2 key ones lack any keyword at all (Star Sapphire and Black Hand). It's not even clear which SS it's supposed to be, since she has a team ability but the original was never on any team, but should have Coast City. The other one it might be should be Secret Society of Super Villains.
I was just looking at some stuff today and found that the 3 versions of Obsidian are all screwed up.
The rookie has the JSA TA with the following keywords: Infinity Inc. and Teen
The exp has no affiliation with the keywords: Infinity Inc, Mystical and Justice Society
The vet has the Mystics TA with the keyword: Justice Society
Please tell me why the only version with the JSA TA is the only one without the keyword, and please tell me why the exp has mystical but the vet has the Mystics TA!
Also, characters like si Elektra who have "Hand" instead of "The Hand" or cj Donna Troy who has "Titans" instead of "Teen Titans" need to be fixed (if they have been fixed already, then they need to be fixed in our database).
JLA, Justice League, Justice League of America are all given that way to reflect rosters of different comic series similar to New Avengers, Avengers: Initiative, etc. That's like saying Gypsy should be on any Justice League Team, which is clearly untrue. I feel the pain as far as team building, but that doesn't make it so.
If you're not worrying about generics, fine, but it's kinda what he did. Would you leave it off Mantis or Taskmaster? For that matter, there ought to be an Archer keyword.
In the case of the JLA, it more like the difference between Cap's Kooky Quartet and Chuck Austen's Avengers-- completely different rosters from a completely era-- only in this case, they have a slightly different name (Justice League of America, Justice League, JLI, JLA). Which wouldn't be so annoying, except they got a whole mess of them wrong. If they're just given them all one "JLA" keyword and let they players make up the accurate rosters, all would be well.
It's not the same thing as Young Avengers, WCA, as those were splinter teams. JLA has those too, but I'm just talking about the main JLA team from any era. The plinter teams JL Europe, JL Task Force, Young Justice, JL Elite-- they did OK with those.
Oh, another rant-- Green Lantern villains. 2 key ones lack any keyword at all (Star Sapphire and Black Hand). It's not even clear which SS it's supposed to be, since she has a team ability but the original was never on any team, but should have Coast City. The other one it might be should be Secret Society of Super Villains.
Why does Rachel Summers (Baby Phoenix) have the Past keyword, and not the Future keyword? Isn't she from...the future? I know that the Hound figure does, but the figure is awful and doesn't have the X-men keyword, and thus doesn't make for a good replacement.
I don't even want to get into the fact that Rachel Summers was a founding member of Excalibur and deserves that keyword as well. I'd love to play a theme-accurate Excalibur team with figures that actually share the keyword. That would be nice.
My point is that they got the actual teams wrong. You cannout buld a "JLA" roster using keywords, several key members have the "Justice League of America" keyword instead, when "JLA" was the only team they had been on.
It would be like giving Mockingbird "New Avengers." (tell me she didn't actually belong on that team)
In my mind, it's the most egregious mess up of the Keyword mechanic, since it affects several iterations of one of the most popular teams in comics.