Anyone else excited about the League of Assassins and Ra's?! I know I am. I love the hand ninjas from HOT, but not a huge Elektra fan. When I heard that Ra's and his flunkies may very well be in this set, I automatically pictured a clix battle between the League and the Hand! Minions vs Minion led by Ra's and Elektra. Who would you choose? Who would win? Not quite sure but looking forward to it!

I need to see the League of Assassins' and Ra's stats first to make the determination.

Let's see...immortal alchemist who has challenged the JLA and is quite possibly Batman's most dangerous foe...vs. a trumped up ninja who was murdered by that guy who got that tar beaten out of him by American Eagle.

Stats change everything, of course, but Ra's and the League should paste Elektra and the Hand if done right.

LOA will win bc they have more options,... with Bronze Tiger, Merlyn, Ra's and all of the females,.... the Hand only has Elektra and a bunch of Ninjas,...sure you can add Wolverine and Daredevil but it's not the same.

If that is all the LOA have then wow they are really out classed The Hand would get to choose from Kirigi, Daredevil White Tiger II Black Tarantula Wolverine Psylocke Elektra Echo Revanche Matsu'o Tsurayaba and Lady Bullseye

I just went to make sure Merlyn, Batgirl (Cassandra) and Bronze Tiger had the LoA keyword, and they do! I'm going to be optimistic that Ra's' stats/dial will be sweet and if the league flunkies are even equal to the Hand, I'd be fine with it. The LoA with the aforementioned extras is going to be a super-fun team and a force to be reckoned with! Can't wait.

Yeahbutwhathuh?

Wasn't Rah's able to challenge the JLA because of Batman's irresponsibility?

Also if you think Elektra garbage because of the whole Bullseye thing from long ago thats funny. She'd kill him with ease now if she wanted. Also you forget that the girl can possess a person from across the globe. Shes come along way from the killed by Bullseye arc.

Having the ability to steal, implement, and partially succeed with Batman's plans isn't exactly an easy feat. Nor would I particularly call it "irresponsibility," not when you're just some guy in a batsuit and the rest of your teammates are gods.

But that's beside the point.

The point is, Ra's is on par with Batman and the JLA. Elektra is on par with Daredevil and...I dunno. Heroes for Hire. True, there's "street level" Batman, who's roughly analogous to Daredevil. But Daredevil doesn't really have any versions of the character that are on par with the Batgod. Meanwhile, though most of Batman's usual foes also really aren't on par with the Batgod, Ra's is one of the few that is.

I don't blame Daredevil because he's not written by a fanboy. Batman is a guy, everything else is just talented abuse of feats.

The main reason BatGod exists, and the reason Batman always wins is because that's where the story is. There is no story whatsoever in Superman or Wonder Woman beating Batman. It's just a single panel, likely more like a sidenote in a panel. Single Panels sell less well than multi-book story arcs and aren't as interesting to write. They don't make compelling stories. You Put Daredevil on a team with the Avengers and give him the popularity of Batman and he'd be able to take out Sentry, MS. Marvel, and Tony before he got to the mansion door. That's just not where the sales lead, so it never happens.

And as for ridiculous but fun stories, Wildcat once took out almost all of the Injustice society while wearing a bathrobe, with a broken arm, and no prior planning. He KOed Blackbriar Thorn (who usually Fights Alan Scott), Count Vertigo, Icicle, Golden Wasp, Tigress and Geomancer. Heck just taking Icicle and Vertigo that makes 146 points of solid Clix, throw in the other for 25 points a piece and you've got Wildcat as a character capable of taking down 250 points in clix, which ought to put him at at least 200 points.

I love Wildcat, and I never want to see a version of him over 100 points.

Batgod is a story device, nothing else.

This is why I love brawlers. Take the Secret Six, for example. When the Six first got ambushed by the Villains United, Catman held his own against several power houses. It took Fatality to take Catman down, after he downed several people. By himself. My example my not be as strong as yours, with a lack of names and all(can't find the issue but I will edit the post when I do) but that alone is impressive.

Personally, I rather have a team with BCF and a way to tear through defenses than a tent pole. Why? First of all, I have insane luck with BCF(usually on the higher end, rarely getting below a 3) and second, it is just hilarious watching a "nobody" take down Superman or a god level character. With ease.

So I am with the guy I am quoting--give me low cost brawlers with BCF(not something the above poster mentioned, but eh) and watch me wreck bricks. The fact that brawlers wreck powerhouses in comics is just a plus.

As for LoA vs The Hand, I am more partial to Ra's and Talia(even in clix) so my vote will be for them. I never read much with the Hand, but didn't they have Spider-woman, Echo, Wolverine, Daredevil and Elektra among their number? That would be a hard fight.

I would pick Ra's and the LOA to win. I like Ra's as a character for a lot of the reason's the OP mentioned, plus they really do have access to some good characters in clix. Bronze Tiger is scary in close combat and Merlyn is a great ranged piece (and that's without even considering Talia or Cassie Batgirl).

Another thing the Icons Ra's has going for him is that he qualifies for the BCF madness speedy was talking about. He has the great 11 attack, stealth, ESD (in the event the opposition can see through stealth), leadership range and BCFs. that way he can snipe though not for much damage, but up close is where he can do the most damage since with only a base two damage it's worth the risk to roll for blades. Not to mention he's very featable too (inspiring command, lazarus pit, etc). Plus the BE team ability is great for the other Bat foes.

And the storyline that's been alluded to is Tower of Babel which was awesome.

Not me. I am not the least bit excited. Ra's al Ghul and Talia AGAIN? Good grief. We have 4 Ra's's in Legacy, 1 Ra's in Icons, and 1 Ra's in Batman: Alpha. 6 Ra's's isn't enough? Considering that all of those Ra's's are very playable, I see absolutely no reason for Ra's to be made. "Oh, no, we haven't had Ra's Al Ghul in the last set! Time to remake him again!" Come on! I know some of the Bat-fans seem to think that we need to remake these same characters over and over again, but really, virtually all of the bat characters have at least one playable version (and some have multiple playable versions, such as Ra's). There are tons of characters that need remakes more than Ra's al Ghul does. I would be disappointed, not excited, that he would be in the set.

But actually I don't recall them saying that Ra's would be in the set, so hopefully he won't be. The LoA assassins will just interact with past versions of Ra's. I do recall them saying Talia would be in the set, to which I'd say... REALLY???? Again? Okay, maybe her 3 versions in Legacy weren't awesome sauce, but the Talia from Batman: Alpha is obscenely playable. And I just can't see her as nearly significant enough to have five versions in Heroclix.

And maybe we need Ra's and Talia in the set if we're going to get generic LoA assassins. But then maybe that should tell us that we shouldn't get generic LoA assassins. I'd be happy enough if they had just given Street Thug or Henchman the LoA keyword. Done.

Its the generics that might actually get me to buy a brick. I cant wait to play Ra's and a bunch of LOA ninja's

I would like to comment that a friend and I played a 300 point League of Assassins vs. the HAND. He fielded SI Elektra and 5 HAND ninjas (Amadeus Cho pog as well) versus my League of Assassins, featuring Bronze tiger, Crisis Batgirl, Icon Ra's, Merlyn, and Batman Alpha Talia. It came down the Merlyn and Ra's taking out Elektra, but that 20 point Talia can hold her own, or else makes for a great distraction/ tie-up.

Wildcat did what he did using the JSA building's defenses. Furthermore, he still failed to defeat the Injustice Society - Johnny Sorrow got what he came for.

And Batgod is as much of a story device as Batman or Daredevil...or Superman or whomever. Succeeding against bullets is just as implausible at times as many of the other, more obviously superheroic feats that happen. Or succeeding "just because" as happened at least once in Busiek's run on Superman a couple of years back.

The point, though, is that there is a JLA level Batman. Someone who rolls with the likes of Superman and Wonder Woman. Whereas Daredevil is solidly placed as a street level hero. Of course, most of Batman's foes are also street level opponents. However, Ra's is really the big exception to that.

As a matter of story tropes, though: Batman - and Ra's - straddle both street level and superheroic stories. Daredevil, Elektra, and the Hand, meanwhile, are more solidly planted on the street level side of comic stories. While there could be a story about Ra's plotting the downfall of Superman or Elektra plotting the downfall of Thor, Ra's has more precedent for it. And at least as far as Heroclix is concerned, that precedent is what should inform the dials.

One day a writer might turn Daredevil into the Daredeity and write a story where the Hand takes down the Avengers. But Heroclix isn't going to create possible interpretations for some characters that don't yet exist in the comics medium (well...usually. Sinestro Corps Batman is sort of the exception to that rule).