Two questions.

1. Can a barrier be placed in water terrain?

2. Are orange(special rules) areas clear terrain if the special rules are not being used?

No. The text of Barrier states that barrier markers can be placed only in clear terrain, so water is out.

Well, the special rules on maps aren't really optional, so you and your opponent(s) would have to decide this.

Some orange squares are clear terrain. Depends on the map.

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EDIT: Heck, I'll be bold and change that "some" to "all" but the parallel would be lost.

So in the case of the HoT map with the rainbow bridge that isn't tournament legal, those squares would be clear terrain?

What happens if the terrain becomes water terrain (say Tempest moves into the area), the placement is now illegal. Would the barrier go away? I guess that also makes it unfortunate that his barrier range is really limited.

I am not sure what you mean... why wouldn't the HoT map be tournament legal?

Barrier only cares that the squares are clear when the power is used. After that, you can do whatever you like to the squares.

He means that the orange squares of the HOT map follow the instructions on that map which indicate the altered rules are not intended for tournament play.

That would not be a problem:
The Barrier would be unaffected by Tempest's SP.
And since a Barrier is Blocking terrain the Opened Hydrant would have no effect either.
Simply put, I cannot think of a game effect that would change the type of terrain below a Barrier.

Gotcha....

i believe he's referring to the special rules for Bifrost Bridge stating "not for tournament play". i dont see why the map wouldnt be tourney legal- we use it all the time. just no hopping across the map.

Edit- Man you guys post fast! hahaha

And since we've all gotten his meaning but not answered the question: Yes, when the Special Bridge Rules aren't in effect, those are clear terrain.

Just to be clear, since this came up last night at our game.

You can't place a barrier on water terrain at all? The player (who's a long time judge) mentioned that it's clear terrain for line of fire purposes, and thus you COULD place a barrier. It even mentions it in the Blackest Night rules that Water is clear for line of sight, but not movement. Made sense to us.

We went ahead and did it. After all, why can't Ice make....well....ICE on water anyways???

BN, page 11:

HeroClix has five types of terrain: clear, hindering, blocking, elevated, and water. All types of terrain (except clear terrain) are indicated by boundary lines drawn on the map:




Water is thus not clear terrain since it is listed as a separate and distinct terrain type.

By your judge's logic, I could make an equally compelling case that water is hindering terrain (since it is for movement).


Because Barrier is Barrier, regardless of the character using the power. If, in a future set, there was an Iceman or something that had an SP that allowed Barrier to be used on water terrain, that'd would be one thing... but if all your talking about is regular Barrier, then it is what it is (and what it is, is the the description on the PAC).