Now before you start spouting off so and so is the best cause i like them is not going to cut it.

so say another crossbridge gap between the marvel and DC universe has come .... again... for the third time. but no memory of the two ever comes up. in a one on one street fight with no planning what so ever. lets say New York City in the DC universe, much the same as Marvel but only difference is no hell's kitchen.

so how do you think the battle will turn out. and remember Batman has no prior knowledge, and even before hand if he hears of this "Daredevil" nor would he have any actual insite to how to defeat something he has never come across. so greatest detective solving a crime when he has never been to a crime scene will not cut it.

Setting: New York City, at night.

Batman


change the location to the Hands HQ and its Batman vs DD + 50 other guys and they know Batman is coming

still Batman its not even a debate

Thats from a diff thread but applies here.

Okay so your saying in a no holds bar street fight, batman is going to get the drop on Daredevil.
because obviously batman does not make any sound when he steps, or when he breathes or even keep his heart beats quiet.

Batmans every move would be sensed in combat, and yes batman would try to find some weakness and exploit it. but when you initially fight someone who is going to dodge most of your attacks? first thought is he has heightened reflexes or his knows every move before you do it.

just calling batman a bad ### leaves very little justification of his abilities. how can you physically attack a man who can hear every move you make. Throw some batarangs.. opps they make a sound when they spin. smoke pellets.. don't muffle sound, does nothing.

its only after when almost all else fails in the attacks, and more than likely by accident that heavy sounds effects him. then and only then would batman figure out that he would be blind with heightened senses. then he would whip out the bat sonic emitter.

cause lets go through this one on one, step by step action. say batman has the first move. with no prior knowledge on daredevil or who he is or what he is. what do you think batman would try to do if he spots Daredevil beating on a mugger in a New York Alley? or even one in gotham?

No, I am saying Batman is outright better at everything Daredevil is good at.

Faster, Stronger, and has more Knowledge about Martial arts.

Batman could ANNOUNCE HIS PRESENCE, Challenge Daredevil to a fair fight, Heck, Give DD the first Shot and Still win, because thats how Batman is written.


See Quicksilver Vs Mr. X, During Dark Reign Thunderbolts, up to this point only one person really has ever beat Mr. X in a fight (Wolverine) but that was on a Deux X loophole

if your not familiar with Mr. X he basically has limited Telepathy that allows him to KNOW what your going to do. Literally know it. So you never land a hit, and he never misses. Oh it also helps that he is Sociopath and one of Marvels greatest Martial Artists.

Anyway, Quicksilver BEATS THE SNOT OUT OF HIM, because While Mr. X knows whats going to happen, he is not fast enough to stop it.



That would be my answer, Daredevil senses Batman's movements? So what? Batman is still faster. See "Batman RIP" for Batman's speed credit, Switching a poisoned cup of tea from accross the table in literally the blink of an eye.

Stonger? how can I make this claim, well as always, writers always just tend to make Batman better then everything, but Bruce is drawn more Bulky with more Mass then Daredevil.

I a guess the only real comparison we have to the too would be the Previous crossovers.... Bullseye.

A guy that Daredevil has KNOCKDOWN DRAG OUT FIGHTS WITH
Daredevil has built a career on stopping this Maniac

BATMAN LAYS HIM OUT IN A SINGLE PUNCH, game over!

Bullseye then Makes the Comment, that BATMAN hits harder then Daredevil (as he is passing out)

Batman then, Goes on to fight Captain America for hours.

let me say that again for effect, Batman a normal human, fist fights Captain America, a Super Soldier with decades of experience, FOR FREAKING HOURS


Now, I know where you are coming from, I Like DD too.

BUT BATMAN KILLED DARKSEID, BATMAN IS CLEANING UP SUPERMANS MESSESS.

Its not anyone but the writers faults, but Daredevil is waaaay out of his league.

Penguin vs. the Owl!

ok the first part. you are saying its just as easy to move your own fingers as it is your own legs, cause of course the body and fingers move at the same speed all the time. finger dexterity is what allows batman to do quick switches. its like a pick pocket. they may bave fast hands but when it comes to out running the cops, they just get caught.

second batman does not give up nor does Daredevil, and daredevils very stamina has been compared to that of Captain america, not the same agility but close to it. he has the ability to go a day without rest.

its fine if you like DD i don't care im trying to get to the fact of the matter. im an alpha flight fan.

batman did not kill darksied, the god killing bullet killed darksied which batman did not make he only took it out of orions carcass and put it into a gun. a weapon which he swore he would never use. so don't give him too much credit of materials that were made by others.

as for the writers they do it for the fan base, cause the fan boys expect batman to be like chuck norris who is an over rated actor who will only be remembered for a round house kick. if your going to compare the two you have to break them down to their core powers and what they know and not what someone had written based on comics.

Even if Batman Announced himself. like Daredevil will care unless batman was there to stop him from laying waste to a mugger. either batman helps or he stays out of DD way. if he tries to stop him it depends on batmans first move or trick.

Given the events of Shadowland and the recent changes in Daredevil I see some more debate developing.


Bullseye is a chump. The Reason Daredevil hadn't defeated him was the fact that he has stopped himself from doing so. Well, now he didn't stop himself. He dispatched Bullseye quickly and ultimately. The one punch argument is tough to convince me of, because Batman doesn't hold back. Daredevil used to.

The question becomes who is the better martial artist, and who has the advantage in a fight?

Daredevil has acute senses that give him a superhuman edge.

Batman has Gadgets, Tech support, and a strong will.

Both have trained in ninjitsu. Both are great acrobats.

Daredevil wins in stealth and surveillance. Nobody sees him coming unless he wants them to.

Batman may have tech that keeps him silent, but he can't avoid being detected, unless he discovers that Daredevil is blind. This won't be discovered until they are engaged in hand to hand combat. By then it would be too late to activate a device that would hinder Daredevil.

So Batman is detected on a rooftop looking down at the alleys below. Oracle alerts him that some one is there, saw a shadow on a security camera. Be on your guard. Daredevil senses a man moving due to a shift in Batman's cape. There is a slight sound of kevlar rubbing against the body. And a brief whisper. Daredevil is right above the Batman looking down at him.

Batman is wary that a man is on the roof with him but he has not detected anything yet. Something is wrong, and he can sense a presence.

This is where is gets difficult. The old Daredevil might call the Bat out. But the Hand influenced Daredevil would most likely try to use his stealth as an advantage. Batman is ready for an attack, but if Daredevil decides to just crack him in the back of the head with a billy club or something more lethal this fight is over.

So the answer lies in which version of Matt Murdock are we dealing with here? The Catholic Acrobatic Superhero who holds back? Or the Assassin Leader of the Hand ninja death cult?

If you factor Honor into this fight, then it still comes down to which character Batman is dealing with.

I think Batman if DD is in Red.

Daredevil if he's sporting the Black.

Batman is considered to be equal to or greater than people with obscenely powerful super natural abilities.

Daredevil is pretty much confined to things he can handle. That's why Thor isn't just swooping in and ending Shadowland in seconds.

Batman doesn't get enough sleep and he doesn't eat well. Batman loses.

Speaking as a Batman fan, I would think that Daredevil would win (yes.....I'm a heretic!). One of (Bruce) Batman's greatest weapons is stealth & surprise. DD would "see" right through this with his radar sense. Of course any writer could spin this any way they wanted, but how I would see it is DD getting a first strike in before Bats even knew he was there.

Just my opinion folks....and remember I'm speaking as a Batman fan.

Batman could eat twelve cans of baked beans plus a bucket of chili dogs beforehand and fart like a trumpeting elephant from a mile away and it still wouldn't make any difference. Why? Because Batman has a sonic jammer in his utility belt which screws with Daredevil's sonar. The Batman kicks DD's ### back to Hell's Kitchen. Then he goes back to the Batcave for some Bat-Bromo.

Unless you're talking about the original (and way cooler) Daredevil (now known as Death-Defying 'Devil) in which case a VERY VERY cool epic no-holds-barred violent bloody brawl ensues, leaving our inner eight year olds breathless with pure undistilled raw savage geekery, as batarangs barely beat boomerangs in the end.

But in both cases (and as always) it's Batman for the win!

Unless Batman is fighting you. Then he's lost before he's started.

Only in the "exercise in futility/teaching a pig to whistle" sense. He wouldn't lose, he'd just be wasting his time.