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Ok, I've already heard about the Golden/Modern Ages as far as tournaments go. My question is, are older clix (Hypertime for example) playable with newer sets (say WoS or DC75)? Over in the Unit section, I always read stuff like,
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One of the few pre-Avengers figures that can still hold up in todays game.
So, I'm not asking whether or not they're game legal (I assume they are). I'm more curious as to why people say stuff like that. I know they didn't have all the same powers/rules back then (Hypertime), but shouldn't the point value ultimately determine how tough a figure is? I mean, wouldn't a 100 point Brave & Bold piece be equal with a 100 Hypertime figure?
As usual, I feel dumb asking questions like this........but I'm still a newb.
People say stuff like that because the people in game design have changed over the years and new people bring new philosophies as to how dials are designed. Also, as the game got older, the designers got a better feel for what did and did not work (efficiency-wise) in a dial design.
Take a look at the old Hypertime Superman. An entire dial full of Leadership seriously bloats his cost... but at that high cost, how many extra characters are realistically going to be on his team to need that extra action Leadership would bring? Newer characters have 1, 2, maybe 3 clicks of Leadership in a block at a time simply because all that extra Leadership just goes to waste waaaaay more often than not.
And that's just one small example.
Also keep in mind that as the rules have changed, different dials designs have fluctuated in their usefulness. Infinity Challenge Firelord is still relatively threatening on his first click (high AV, DV, and damage are always good), but otherwise he's pretty "meh" in the current game design. Back when the game first came out, though, he was THE go-to piece because A) fliers could carry other fliers (so little ol' Wasp could cart him into position), B) characters could take an action after being carried (so after Wasp got him to where he was going, he could start blasting immediately), and C) Support used to heal a full d6 instead of capping at 4 (so, when he did get hit, his insanely low DV at the end of the dial made it really easy to heal him, and heal him for up to 6 clicks... usually more than enough to make him threatening again. You pretty much had to KO him in one turn or he'd just heal and hurt you all over again.).
Ok, I've already heard about the Golden/Modern Ages as far as tournaments go. My question is, are older clix (Hypertime for example) playable with newer sets (say WoS or DC75)? Over in the Unit section, I always read stuff like,
So, I'm not asking whether or not they're game legal (I assume they are). I'm more curious as to why people say stuff like that. I know they didn't have all the same powers/rules back then (Hypertime), but shouldn't the point value ultimately determine how tough a figure is? I mean, wouldn't a 100 point Brave & Bold piece be equal with a 100 Hypertime figure?
As usual, I feel dumb asking questions like this........but I'm still a newb.
nope not at all, this is what people call power creep.
look at Night crawler from WoS to Kurt Wagner from Fantastic Forces.
They are both the same points.
Wagner has 1 more click, but the new one can just dominate the old one, more movement, higher defense, able to ignore terrain for movement.