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When a figure with the standard damage symbol is adjacent to a colossal or giant, can said figure make ranged combat attacks against the colossal or is the figure considered based?
This question came up at last week's game when my opponent claimed to be able to use RCE when based with my SCAM. I asked for an explanation and all I received was some mumbling about different levels of elevation. I assume I was lied to because I cannot find any rule saying that a figure could make this happen unless they were a sharpshooter.
Additionally, do colossal/giant figures have line of fire to a figure when there's a square of elevated terrain between them and they are both on non-elevated terrain? The way I understand the new multiple level elevated system, the colossal could choose to be a higher level and target the opposing figure or, if need be, choose to be that level or lower so that particular figure is unable to be targeted (for pulse wave perhaps).
Non-colossals without Sharpshooter may not normally make ranged attacks while adjacent to a colossal. Elevation difference is irrelevant, adjacency is what matters. They're adjacent, they can't make ranged attacks.
Elevated terrain blocks line of fire to characters on lower elevations, even from a colossal/giant.
From the rule book:
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A line of fire between
characters on different elevations is blocked by:
• Blocking terrain on the same elevation as
the character on the lower elevation.
• Elevated terrain of any level higher than the
level occupied by the character on the lower
elevation, except the square occupied by
the character on the higher elevation.
There is not a rule that says this does not apply to LOF drawn by Great Size characters. Notice how the rule doesn't mention anything about it mattering what elevation the higher character is at. The other character can be at elevation 10 and a piece of level 2 elevated terrain will block LOF to a level 1 chracter.
Now, If both characters are Great Size, then LOF may be drawn from and to an elevation higher than the piece of elevated terrain.
The colossal doesn't choose which elevation is used when a LOF is drawn to it, the character drawing the LOF chooses.
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GREAT SIZE
This character can’t be knocked back. When this character makes a close combat
attack, it may target characters on higher elevations. This character ignores the
effects of hindering terrain, elevated, and outdoor blocking terrain on movement
and can move through squares adjacent to and occupied by smaller opposing
characters. Smaller characters do not block line of fire to or from this character.
This character may draw lines of fire (and have lines of fire drawn to it) as if the
character occupied the elevation equal to or greater than the elevation it occupies, using the elevation level with the least restrictive line of fire.
There is nothing in the standard rules for colossal figures that allows figures to make ranged combat attacks while adjacent to them, but I don't have the rules for the Sinestro Corps Anti-Monitor to see if he has any special rules that would allow that. I'm fairly certain that there is at least one colossal figure that does have special rules to that effect, but I'm not sure which one(s).
Last edited by vlad3theimpaler; 05/24/2011 at 01:46..
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In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
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Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
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Quote : Originally Posted by vlad3theimpaler
There is nothing in the standard rules for colossal figures that allows figures to make ranged combat attacks while adjacent to them, but I don't have the rules for the Sinestro Corps Anti-Monitor to see if he has any special rules that would allow that. I'm fairly certain that there is at least one colossal figure that does have special rules to that effect, but I'm not sure which one(s).
If there is, it's news to me. Anybody feel like reading ALL of the colossal rule sheets? : - )
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If there is, it's news to me. Anybody feel like reading ALL of the colossal rule sheets? : - )
It's entirely possible that I'm just misremembering the rules to one of the older colossals. I took a quick glance at a couple of the rules sheets and didn't see what I was looking for, so now I'm starting to wonder if just doesn't exist.
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In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
Does elevated terrain block LOF to and from colossal characters, even from other colossals?
Depends on who is where (on elevated? other side of elevated? different elevation? and so on...) and what exactly the terrain is in question (clear elevated terrain? elevated terrain with blocking? and so on...). Without a specific scenario to address, please see the Great Size Final Word.
I just can't get the hang of this "reading" thing, but it sure does a body good, thanks.
The Stamina Final Word is perfectly clear, but for my on peace of mind I'll present a couple of scenarios for Great Size to make sure I understood it properly:
C=colossal on grounded terrain
E=outdoor elevated terrain
G=giant on grounded terrain
R=regular figure on grounded terrain
B=outdoor blocking terrain
X=clear grounded terrain
ex 1:
XXXXX
XCEGX
XXXXX
ex 2:
XXXXX
XCBGX
XXXXX
ex 3:
XXXXX
XGERX
XXXXX
In examples 1 and 2:
C and G can use ranged combat attacks against each other?
G can use close combat attacks on C (given that I only marked 1 square of elevated)?
Depends on who is where (on elevated? other side of elevated? different elevation? and so on...) and what exactly the terrain is in question (clear elevated terrain? elevated terrain with blocking? and so on...). Without a specific scenario to address, please see the Great Size Final Word.
I just can't get the hang of this "reading" thing, but it sure does a body good, thanks.
The Stamina Final Word is perfectly clear, but for my on peace of mind I'll present a couple of scenarios for Great Size to make sure I understood it properly:
C=colossal on grounded terrain
E=outdoor elevated terrain
G=giant on grounded terrain
R=regular figure on grounded terrain
B=outdoor blocking terrain
X=clear grounded terrain
ex 1:
XXXXX
XCEGX
XXXXX
ex 2:
XXXXX
XCBGX
XXXXX
ex 3:
XXXXX
XGERX
XXXXX
In examples 1 and 2:
C and G can use ranged combat attacks against each other?
G can use close combat attacks on C (given that I only marked 1 square of elevated)?
In example 3:
G cannot use ranged combat attacks against R?
G can use close combat attacks against R?
Examples 1 and 2 are correct cause the can choose Elevation 2 or higher to see each other.
Example 3 the giant would not be able to do close combat because giant reach still requires LOF.
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There is nothing in the standard rules for colossal figures that allows figures to make ranged combat attacks while adjacent to them, but I don't have the rules for the Sinestro Corps Anti-Monitor to see if he has any special rules that would allow that. I'm fairly certain that there is at least one colossal figure that does have special rules to that effect, but I'm not sure which one(s).
Jon Osterman Dr Manhattan
Dr. Manhattan can make a ranged combat attack against any character in his range, even if that character is in an adjacent square.