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How about a varient of that question. If an opposing character is standing on an object, can Jean Grey pick it up out from under them and smash them with it? How about if they have stealth? I assume that if she moves it, they are no longer stealthed, but can it all happen in the same action? She has to be adjacent to the object(and thus the other fig) to TK it so she can attack a stealthed fig, right?
If she where adjacent to the object the stealthed figure was on then the figures stealth power would be useless. She would not have to make a LOS check. She is adjacent. But the real question is can you TK an object that some one in an adjacent sqaure is carrying? (ie with super strength) Or would you still ave to TK the charachter? Or could you? :knockedou
Actually, according the rulebook (but not the PAC), using an object as a weapon requires you to use a ranged combat action. This would mean, in my mind, Jean Grey couldn't do it to a stealth character. This would be because she can't have line of sight to him/her until part way through her attack (which she can't start without a target). The rulebook states it can be done to adjacent characters though (but not stealthed ones, it's still a ranged attack).
As for TKing an object someone is carrying, no you can't. You can TK a person carrying an object and the object goes with them.
"...my eyes were watering, and my tongue was swollen, and from that moment on, I was more careful about what I lick!" -- Koda (Brother Bear)
Actually you have to assign a close combat action to TK an object. Refer to the object rules:
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An opposing figure is standing in a square “on top of” an object token (not carrying the token.) Can a figure with Super Strength or Telekinesis pick up or move the object out from under the opposing character? Yes, you can Telekinesis the object away or pick it up with Super Strength. Nothing happens to the figure that was standing “in” the object."
Once the object is lifted, you then make an attack roll to hit the target with the only requirement being that you need LoS to them. Since the Stealthy figure is no longer under cover, and you are adjacent, you can see him just fine and nail him with the object.
Even though you hit them at a distance, it's not a ranged attack.
Whenever someone asks me what I think the most dangerous animal is, i tell them it has to be a shark riding on an elephant, just eating and trampling everything in sight.
Actually, that is only for moving an object. If you check the rulebook under "Telekenesis super power" and specifically under "Attacking with an Object" it states:
"To use an object as a weapon, give the character a ranged combat action, even if the character’s range value is 0."
And:
"A character can use Telekinesis to make a ranged attack against an opposing character in an adjacent square."
So I still don't think you can target an adjacent stealthed character.
"...my eyes were watering, and my tongue was swollen, and from that moment on, I was more careful about what I lick!" -- Koda (Brother Bear)
Canada Maestro is correct. The attack's LoF is established before the object is actually move with TK, and so a Stealthed figure won't be an elligible target for a TK-object attack, even one using the object from underneath him.
To the other two issues---
Adjacency does not grant LoF. The fact that close combat doesn't require LoF is a completely different concept from it being automatically assured. If something requires LoF, such as Outwit or a ranged TK attack, then LoF is required even when adjacent.
When an object is being carried it is not targetable.
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Out Of No Where Hawk Comes With His Leap Climb and Superstrength And Takes That Hotdog Cart Like It Was A Table Cloth. Next Turn Everyone Smacks That Bat.
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ok, i may very well be wrong, but the way I see it, jean would announce a TK attack, and could move the object that a stealth character was on.....However, she could not use it to attck that character since she could not see him at the begining of the action.....she can use the object on someone else though, and then the stealthed character would then be without his stealth, but at least not smacked down...anyways, thats my view on it
Originally posted by HeroComplex Only problem with it, farmer, is that while adjacent to an enemy she can't use her TK to fire at someone with whom she isn't adjacent.
Unless the stealthed figure was also a flyer, but how often does that happen?
Originally posted by savasyn Unless the stealthed figure was also a flyer, but how often does that happen?
Actually, the stealthed character adjacent to her being a flyer doesn't matter. Jean can not make a ranged combat attack against someone she's not adjacent to while adjacent to the above character. And telekinesis allows for ranged attacks against adjacent characters whether they are flyers or not.