I noticed that the print N play Horde Tokens for H007-H012 do not have a white box power indicated on the numbers, unlike the Starter Set Horde Tokens which do have a special white power on their dials with the descriptions of what those powers do on the back of the tokens. I haven't seen the actual printed copies that came in the OP kit yet, but one can assume they are printed the same as the PnP docs.

Is this going to be errata'd to say they have this white special power showing on the dial (presumably in the damage slot) or are we just going to play it like it's an unoutwitable trait for the LE tokens?

P.S. There's also two Mountain Troll tokens in the PnP doc that have just the name "Troll", which obviously should also be addressed in the next Player's Guide too.

I think it's more a case of the regular ones having Special Power boxes they don't need. The Horde power itself on the backs of the tokens don't indicate them being connected to any specific stat. Although this makes a difference if they're outwittable or not.

But yeah, the Troll thing is silly.

I haven't seen the PnP or the starter.

That said...

If there is something wrong with the PnP stuff, the solution is to change the art of the PnP, not to issue more errata.

I'll need to check my physical copies, but I belie the issue extends past the PnP documents to the "Official, Physical Cardboard" (for lack of a better term at the moment).

Here's the link to the PNP doc:
http://heroclix.com/wp-content/uploa...OTR_Tokens.pdf

I was able to see the physical copies and sure enough they are printed exactly the same as the pdf Print N Play document. So even if they fix the pdf down the road there are still millions of copies out there with these misprints.

So the key ruling I want to know is can you outwit the power if the power is not showing on the dial, or should it be errata to have the white power showing on the dial?

Either of these is gonna require SOME sort of errata though. Because the tokens in the starter have special power boxen on their stats, but the HORDE power on the back isn't connected to it, technically [there's no stat symbol next to any of them]. It's a silly thing, but its still an error.

No it does not need an errata,all the information for epic battles and horde tokens is in the LOTR rules insert from the starter set.HORDE TOKENS, when stacked can use special powers called horde powers,so they are connected.It's no different than a regular characters card showing a special power with the description of what it can do.The horde's show a white SP box which corresponds with the horde power description on the back of the token.And yes you can outwit the SP on the top horde token since he is the only one that can activate the SP and use it.

Right, the problem is for Horde Tokens H007 through H012, they are missing the white SP box on the dial.

And my point, to reiterate, is that the description of the power on the rear of the token does not itself feature a stat symbol, which is a requirement of a Special Power.

I mean, I know what's supposed to be what, but if we're calling out things that ain't right, that's something that ain't right.

This is why we have this thread.

First of all, I could easily be wrong (I try not to interfere with the rules section too often. That's best left to the professionals!) but here is my interpretation:

The S (circled) on the back of the starter set tokens indicates that effects kick in according to the number of tokens in the stack. These are the ones with the outwittable white power on the front.

The M (circled) on the back of the LE tokens indicates the effects only work when stacked to the maximum allowed as identified by the M (circled) on the front. I had assumed these were a diffferent style of power and not meant to be outwitted. I just took it at face value and never really thought about it, though, until reading this thread.

If I remember correctly, this is listed in the special rules that came in the starter set. I just looked for it real quick to quote but can't find it easily and don't want to wake anyone up looking.