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The past week has been a whirlwind. Since the lockout ended and Chris Paul made his intentions of not staying in New Orleans known, virtually every team with assets have been making overtures of how to get him. First the Knicks, then the Clippers, then Golden State, then the Lakers, then the Knicks again, finally settling on the Lakers. Then the league kills the deal. WTF?
There is going to be some real bad blood going on between owners and owners/players.
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It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.
This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.
Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.
I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).
I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.
I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?
Please advise….
Dan G.
Why does this man have a franchise? Why did the league allow him in? What the hell man.
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Dan Gilbert needs to suck it up. This is how the league works. Really, the Lakers open up cap space, but they aren't getting Howard (unless the owners veto the pending Nets trade).
Look, I am a Small Market Fan (GO JAZZ!) but you have to face reality. Reality is, Chris Paul IS NOT STAYING WITH THE HORNETS AFTER JULY 1!
The acting GM, looking for the best deal for his team, went with the Lakers because they get Odom, a bunch of good players/trade pieces from the Rockets, AND the Knicks 2012 #1 pick. It is a good deal, and a lot better than the nothing you get on July 1st when Paul leaves to be a free agent.
Personally, I thought this was a bad trade for the Lakers. Cap space aside, they need to have a deal for Marc Gasol worked out already or else they are going to be outsized and outmatched on the front court with Bynum as their only big of notoriety. I mean, sure, he's great at leveling undersized point guards when he's not injured, but other than that...
Quote : Originally Posted by hail_eris
Little known fact - the "M" in M. Bison actually stands for "malakim2099."
it was a wtf moment paul wants out the lakers want to blow up their roster to get paul and howard. they get paul in a trade and then it gets canc it really sucks to be the players that got traded and then were told to go back. what do You think of chandler going to the Knicks?
it was a wtf moment paul wants out the lakers want to blow up their roster to get paul and howard. they get paul in a trade and then it gets canc it really sucks to be the players that got traded and then were told to go back. what do You think of chandler going to the Knicks?
It's a great pick up for the Knicks. That legitimately put them into contender status. A little more tweaking and you have the makings of a champion caliber team.
Potentially brittle as hell though, which worries me a little bit.
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Dan Gilbert needs to suck it up. This is how the league works. Really, the Lakers open up cap space, but they aren't getting Howard (unless the owners veto the pending Nets trade).
Look, I am a Small Market Fan (GO JAZZ!) but you have to face reality. Reality is, Chris Paul IS NOT STAYING WITH THE HORNETS AFTER JULY 1!
The acting GM, looking for the best deal for his team, went with the Lakers because they get Odom, a bunch of good players/trade pieces from the Rockets, AND the Knicks 2012 #1 pick. It is a good deal, and a lot better than the nothing you get on July 1st when Paul leaves to be a free agent.
Personally, I thought this was a bad trade for the Lakers. Cap space aside, they need to have a deal for Marc Gasol worked out already or else they are going to be outsized and outmatched on the front court with Bynum as their only big of notoriety. I mean, sure, he's great at leveling undersized point guards when he's not injured, but other than that...
And they opened up cap space to resign Paul with his bird rights at 100 mil or so putting them right back into luxury tax land. Seriously why did they let Dan Gilbert have a team?
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Quote : Originally Posted by David Stern's Press Release
"Since the NBA purchased the New Orleans Hornets, final responsibility for significant management decisions lies with the Commissioner's Office in consultation with team chairman Jac Sperling. All decisions are made on the basis of what is in the best interests of the Hornets. In the case of the trade proposal that was made to the Hornets for Chris Paul, we decided, free from the influence of other NBA owners, that the team was better served with Chris in a Hornets uniform than by the outcome of the terms of that trade."
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And they opened up cap space to resign Paul with his bird rights at 100 mil or so putting them right back into luxury tax land. Seriously why did they let Dan Gilbert have a team?
I don't know. I halfway understood his anger when LeBron left how he did. But this is just freaking ridiculous.
If you build a competitive team in a small market, you will keep players there. (See: San Antonio Spurs, Utah Jazz, Phoenix Suns.)
Quote : Originally Posted by hail_eris
Little known fact - the "M" in M. Bison actually stands for "malakim2099."
Paul going to the Lakers would have been David Stern admitting that nothing had changed and the players won. While it is true that the players and big market teams were the clear winners of the lockout, and that very little is going to change in the "new" system, he can't say "we have a deal that will help small markets" one day and then screw over the small market team he runs the next.
What all of this does is make me wish the small market owners had stuck to their guns and not come back without a hard cap.
Odom for Paul even with draft picks and bench players is not a fair trade. Gasol would have been closer to a fair trade.Teams want Paul and while I agree that you need to trade him before July, I think you can get a lot more than a third or fourth option that is in the latter stages of his career, a few bench players, and pick in the late stages of the first round. A basketball team only really plays 8 or 9 guys a game and only relies on 5 or 6, if the Hornets are going to trade their number one guy away they need to get someone that can come close to filling that spot. Trading one for many works in hockey or football, but in basketball it is almost always a bad move.
Also I am glad the Warriors didn't get him. I think Stephen Curry is going to come into his own as an all-star this year and I would rather build my team's hopes on a rising talent than a guy that is prone to injury.
It wasn't just Odom. It was Odom, Scola, Martin and picks. From whom are the Hornets going to get a better deal from?
Granted not a champion team, but a team that could fight for a playoff spot.
Of course without Bynum for Howard, the Lakers aren't championship caliber either. And i'd think Orlando could do a better job than Bynum. Unless the Lakers could somehow swallow Hedo's contract, the Magic wouldn't do that deal anyway.
Though they did just send Bass to Boston for Big Baby, so Howard has to be on his way out. No way would he be happy with that swap.
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Odom for Paul even with draft picks and bench players is not a fair trade. Gasol would have been closer to a fair trade.Teams want Paul and while I agree that you need to trade him before July, I think you can get a lot more than a third or fourth option that is in the latter stages of his career, a few bench players, and pick in the late stages of the first round.
Completely disagree. This was a very good deal for the Hornets, and would have made them a solid 5-8 team. Which is about where they are with Paul right now anyway. And frankly, with Paul's health issues... they are not going to get equal value. There is no pressure on teams to offer a superstar for superstar trade precisely because Paul becomes a free agent this July.
In this case, you have to get the best deal you can for him. And this is, really, the best deal.
Quote : Originally Posted by hail_eris
Little known fact - the "M" in M. Bison actually stands for "malakim2099."
I think they can definately do better than an aging third option and two bench players. Plus they would be handing the Lakers a title. But really what it boils down to is Stern not wanting to admit that he got hosed by the players and the big market teams. Paul will move, and probably soon, but I would be shocked if he went to a team like LA, Dallas, NY, Boston, or Miami.