I looked and I couldn't find it. Can this move something like the gamma bomb?

Hmm...

I would say you may be able to place it where you want since even though it says you may not pick up, move, or place; you do remove it from the map first which is not covered by the immobile objects rule.

In other words, since you remove the Gamma Bomb from the map first, when you place it back on the map you should be able to place it where you want. It does seem like 225 point solution to a 5 point problem.

that's what I'm thinking I just wanted to be sure. I have a backward dial game coming up and it should be good for a laugh

I would assume yes. Immobile objects cannot be moved. The rules say nothing against them being removed. For example, Mattet Eater Lad can use his special to destroy/remove gamma bomb from the map.

Recently I played the Bomb with Cyborg superman. One of my opponents had Impervious on his team and Gamma bomb finished removed from the game to heal the Cyborg...

I wonder if the ruling is going to be that he can remove it, but not place it back on the map

I agree with your logic.
How many points is your game? There are all sorts of fun shenanigans you can do in a scenario like this.

The idea occurred to me, but as I thought about it, the inability to place immobile objects can't still apply when they're removed from the game, or you would never be able to place them on the map at the beginning of the game either.


I'm not 100% on this, but that's how I would rule it, and if I'm told it's supposed to be otherwise, I'll post it here.

thanks vlad!


It's 500; I'm thinking Flashes, Allstar Bizzaro, Dirk (pesky mystics and cosmics) and leech.

According to the 2011 rule book, you place objects directly before placing characters in starting areas, and play doesn't begin until all players have placed their forces in a starting area.

So are things that happen before play even starts still considered "game effects?"

That's what I'm thinking, actually.

An immobile can't be placed by a game effect.

Into the Speed Force is a game effect. The game setup is not a game effect.

That makes me lean towards saying that it gets removed and stays removed.

THAT SAID...

A whole new can of works gets opened with such a ruling, especially concerning relics.

The second one concerns me more as there is the implication of an "on the map" in the definition of immobile objects.

Maybe Relics should be changed to Drop like other objects instead of Place.

And as for "place on character card" you could switch it to "put on the character card" so not to confuse with the "place" game term.

Harpua couldn't we state that relics game text overrides the rules of an immobile object? I realize that these cards do not specifically mention overriding Immobile, but you could draw that conclusion.

My main question of concern is do game effects and game text apply to objects (and characters) removed from the game? I think a much bigger can of worms gets opened if we say that the objects text is still in effect while removed due to this power. If Immobile still works while removed then the game text would as well. I hope you see where I'm going with this and why it concerns me.

This one is a very slippery slope fellas and we must tread lightly and view all sides before anything official is said.

Again if Immobile is active while the object is removed then what prevents the rest of the game text from being inactive? If an object's game text is in effect while removed from the game what prevents a character's game text from being inactive?

If it is Inactive while removed from the game, then there is nothing telling you the bonuses a character would get as well as nothing telling you how to bring it back into the game. Same would be in affect with Flashpoint Flash.

I think that the 2 easiest solutions would be 1) what I stated above or 2) a player's guide entry for relics stating that its use of "Place" is not equal to the game term.

Actually that is not correct. The game text itself states what the effects are while removed prior to its removal. The game text also states the duration of this effect. Here is a sample of game text from a relic for you to review:

As you can see it states that this is in effect until the character is defeated or the relic is lost. That is what prevents it from not being active while removed from the game.