I have discussed power creep many times. With the last couple of sets wizkids have made it very obvious that points value and power levels are on the increase. Magneto is the newest character with 250 points

103 IC129 Magneto
144 UL092 Magneto
187 AW096 Magneto
189 GX053 Magneto
250 MA019 Magneto

Personally with all the increases of course this makes sense. Of course someone is gonna say hey (insert name) should be more powerful and the cycle starts all over again. There are of course lower point characters of each of these and of course there are a few exceptions. For the most part Points Values, Powers, and Stats are going up.

147 IC060 Hulk
201 XP094 Hulk
230 MU033 Green Scar
255 AVM202 Hulk

116 HT108 Batman
120 AA099 Batman
140 DKR029 The Batman

219 HT111 Superman
251 IO048 Superman
283 JL060 Superman
300 SM001 Superman

28 IC108 Quicksilver
105 AW054 Quicksilver
111 CW032 Quicksilver

87 IC126 Dr. Strange
110 FF060 Dr. Strange
149 SI033 Dr. Strange
196 GG028 Dr. Strange

38 CT030 Doombot
40 SI107 Doombot 5953
55 GG006 Doombot

Yes, I know all games have this but wizkids is just making it VERY obvious with the last couple of sets.

Until we see HSS+PW, I'm not scared.

You needn't worry - the rise in power resets with each DC set

while I don't think the entire argument is invalid, and I'm not attempting that I think a good bit of it is the inclusion of special powers allowing for figures to at the least have multiple powers of the same slot, where before that wasn't possible....that alone is going to up point levels.

in addition not all of your examples are all that relevant...look at quicksilver...its been what 7 years? 6 1/2? and his price has gone up only 6 points? thats some pretty damn slow creep, and using his IC version isnt at all relevant...marvel didn't use HSS then.

I'm not trying to say that there isn't some power creep....just from the change in full dial usefulness hat started back when seth first started design theres been power creep...and the post neca era seems to be defined by blowing out the stops with special powers....but that doesn't really seem to be a bad thing. the fans/players are buying it up more and more and honestly the game is a heck of a lot better than it was "back in the day"

when the news of avengers first hit in that chat, I'll admit I was one of the first naysayers....it looked awful....less figs etc etc but it worked. lets give them some credit...

(but I will give you this....when I saw that 113 Magneto, power creep came to miind)

Well, what i call "power creep" is characters being more efficient for less point.

In that definition : GX magneto is power creep over all previous magneto, because clearly undercosted for what he does... but the 10th anniversary or UL and AW ones were okay... The IC one is useless, but most of the figures of that time are (they were designed differently and under a different set of rules mostly...)

Now... If you say that the actual power in play of figures has no relation whatsoever to its point cost : i'm with you. That has been the case since the beginning...

If you say that there is more and more high points figure and less and less cheap figures and that's a problem to build low point forces with huge number of characters (outside of generics army such hydra or shield) then i'm with you too.

If you say that the characters are being more and more "powerfull" (as in point effective) over time, i'd say not really... the unbalance between point cost and effective power has proven to be worse with special powers and traits, but it's not consistent from one set to another.

There is always undercosted overpowered pieces, but the sets don't seem to steadily increase power for one perticular character over time : there are more recent figures that are less efficient than their older counterpart. 10th anniversary magneto compared to GSX one is a good example.

Perhaps the rarity of a figure has an influence on the cost and the more rare the better... but i'm not sure. I'm not even really believing there is a real (as in accurate) point formula, just probably a flawed one they keep using despite it being completly wrong, or none at all.

What about Marquee batman 105 pts, new superman JL52 for 200. Dr. Strange for 75 in the GF of GG. What they are giving us is more options.

Old figures pre NECA/Wizkids are in a different ballpark. Look at HoT forward.

I define power creep as being an increase in capability without a equivalent increase in point value. Looking at the last two or three sets,I have trouble seeing a lot of that. Sure, some figures have a new more powerful version now available, but the point costs are in line with the potential. (and let's face it, we've just gotten Hulk that correctly matches his well established power in the literature).

As an example, take a look at the large number of remakes in Chaos War. How many of them are clearly better for the points then any of there recent incarnations? Maybe Crystal, Hawkeye? Mockingbird isn't any better than her FF version. Vision fits right in with his Supernova versions. The new Captain America?

The only thing more common in the universe than Hydrogen and human stupidity is power creep.

-with regards to Ollie Einstein

First off I included Avengers on Up along with the older sets. Avengers was 5 years ago it started with Special. EVEN Then there has been increases in powers and stats.

Quicksilver just gives an example from the old days to now. I am not saying some power creep is a bad thing but going overboard like they are now is a bad thing. The reason why this is bad. People are going to a character to be even more powerful then the INCREASED pointed character.

I have said this MANY times Power Creep is a bad thing because it keeps increasing.

Well we've also seen an increase in 'character builds' rather than 'role builds'. Back in IC, Daredevil meant 'Super Senses'. Wolfsbane meant 'Blades'. Cyclops meant 'RCE'. This kept costs lower, but meant that the characters were not all that well reflected.

Now, they look at Daredevil and say, "What can he do? Leap/Climb, Super Senses, a little Charge, some Outwit, maybe some Incap and Exploit Weakness?" And that leads to a much more expensive Daredevil, one that captures a Daredevil fan's concept of the character.

I much prefer a Magneto who has RS, Quake, Pulse Wave, TK, Invulnerability, Force Blast, vs. 7 clicks of Telekinesis and 6 clicks of Leadership.

LOL

"In the literature."

As if this was some sort of academic setting.

I define Power Creep as when I just can't keep my shorts outta my crack no matter how much I tug at them.

What, Supernova's Binary doesn't count? Among others? Or are you just saying being able to use together?

I don't know if it's power creep so much as better dial design. generics can now be more than "that fig i put up to take that one shot and get KO'ed" to actual threats (Ask my Shadow Council Soldier about friday. Total All Star)

Hulk correctly matches, sorry nope.

I believe I said there were some that didn't fit this.

Which is why I included ones from Avengers on up.