Would the -1 to range from this team ability be subject to the "Rule of Three"? Has this team ability just been nerfed by the minimum 6 range?

Hydra Deep Science Division
When an opposing character uses Outwit, Perplex, or Probability Control, modify its range value by -1 for each friendly character using this team ability. Reduce the minimum range value by the same amount, but no lower than 1.

Well, combat values are subject to the ROT, and range is one of those, so yes. However, nothing in the ATA mentions being in range or such, so just go by the power; When an opposing character uses one of those things, reduce THAT character's range value by -1...even if its a "minimum range" which is typically six.

Hydra Deep Science Division
When an opposing character uses Outwit, Perplex, or Probability Control, modify its range value by -1 for each friendly character using this team ability. Reduce the minimum range value by the same amount, but no lower than 1.

and yes it modifies a combat value so Ro3 applies.

The minimum can be reduced more than 3. The actual range value cannot. 5 Hydra goons and those 4 range perplexers and outwitters are stuck at range 1.

Outwit and perplex have a 6 minimum, though, so it would be reduced to 3.

No, the minimum is not a combat value, so it can be reduced to 1. If the figure in question has a 0 range normally, and the opponent has 5 hydra agents, it would have a 1 range for those powers. If it has a 5 range normally, it would be reduced to 2 when using those powers. Printed range is modified, minimum range is a replacement value and not subject to the rule of 3.

Minimum isn't a replacement value. Otherwise you could perplex up the range of a 0 range outwitter, and then out with for 6+modifiers. Its just the minimum number of squares the power can be use at. If your character has less than the minimum, they get to use the minimum.

Ach. Yes. My mistake.

Ah, true about the replacement value, just seemed like the best way to explain it.

I hate to create a necrothread but I am going to use Hydra in an upcoming event with the ATA. So the minimum isn't subject to the Ro3, what about when they aren't using the minimum and are using there normal range?

Also, there are multiple different answers in this thread. Can we get a ruling, is the Hydra ATA governed by the Ro3?

Hydra Deep Science Division
When an opposing character uses Outwit, Perplex, or Probability Control, modify its range value by -1 for each friendly character using this team ability. <= This is limited by the Rule of 3 as it modfies a combat value


Reduce the minimum range value by the same amount, but no lower than 1. <= this is not limited by the Rule of 3 because minimums are not combat values.

When an opposing character uses Outwit, Perplex, or Probability Control, modify its range value by -1 for each friendly character using this team ability. This is subject to rule of 3.

Reduce the minimum range value by the same amount, but no lower than 1. This is not subject to rule of 3.

Here are 3 examples of how the ATA affects different characters:

Hydra has 6 figures with the ATA. An opposing player has Figure A, with printed range 10, and perplex. Figure B, with printed range 7, and perplex. Figure C, with printed range 2, and perplex.

Figure A's perplex goes from 10 to 7. The rule of 3 applies.
Figure B's perplex goes from 7 to 4. The rule of 3 applies, but minimum will now be 3. (6 minus 6 with minimum 1)
Figure C's perplex goes from 6 to 1. The minimum has gone down from 6 to 1, so the printed 2 range is it's perplex range. However the 2-3 reaches down to the minimum 1.