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-The total victory points accumulated throughout the Swiss portion of the
tournament.
-The total win-loss record for all previous opponents of the tied players.
-The total victory points accumulated by all previous opponents of the tied players.
Can someone please make me understand this with baby steps and maybe examples? i dont get the 2 last rules for tie-breakes, language barrier make me no understand correctly what it says
If win/loss record is equal, you use points as tiebreaker.
If points are also equal, you look at the records of the opponents they faced. The player who faced the better performing opposition (again determined by win/loss record first and points second) wins the tie.
-The total victory points accumulated throughout the Swiss portion of the
tournament.
-The total win-loss record for all previous opponents of the tied players.
-The total victory points accumulated by all previous opponents of the tied players.
Can someone please make me understand this with baby steps and maybe examples? i dont get the 2 last rules for tie-breakes, language barrier make me no understand correctly what it says
Okay, I'll try.
Player A and B have exactly 3 wins each and exactly 900 victory points.
so we go to the second tie break Player A's opponents had a total of 4 wins while Player B's opponents only had 3 wins between so Player A wins the tournament.
Now if everybody A played had 3 wins between and everybody B played had 3 wins between them you go to the next tiebreaker, which is opponent's victory points.
If everybody A played scored a total 544 victory while B's opponents only scored 345 then A would be the winner of the tournament.
Player A and B have exactly 3 wins each and exactly 900 victory points.
so we go to the second tie break Player A's opponents had a total of 4 wins while Player B's opponents only had 3 wins between so Player A wins the tournament.
Now if everybody A played had 3 wins between and everybody B played had 3 wins between them you go to the next tiebreaker, which is opponent's victory points.
If everybody A played scored a total 544 victory while B's opponents only scored 345 then A would be the winner of the tournament.
Sorry call me stupid if you want but i still dont understand u.u
we go for the second:
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so we go to the second tie break Player A's opponents had a total of 4 wins while Player B's opponents only had 3 wins between so Player A wins the tournament.
what you comparing here the total with? where that 4 came up? Y.Y sorry
In the case of the second tiebreaker, if the opponents Player A won against had more wins than the opponents Player B won against, player A wins. If the opponents have equal wins, their points are totaled and the winner is the player who defeated the opponents with the highest points. That's assuming players A and B have equal wins and points.
what you comparing here the total with? where that 4 came up? Y.Y sorry
Total opponent wins. So player A played against players C,D (and B in the final round but he doesn't count) and the total wins of those players. C and D totaled 4 combined wins.
Player B played players F,E (and A in the final round). The combined wins of E and F was 3.
Since A had the "harder opponents" he wins. In all my years of playing Swiss, I have never seen this happen. Usually it will be determined by wins (occasionally points)
In all my years of playing Swiss, I have never seen this happen. Usually it will be determined by wins (occasionally points)
If you think about it, how many points do people come in under build? I'd say on average at most 10, more in sealed. So the chances if you getting an opponent worth the same points as another player's opponent is 1/10 roughly, so 1/10^3 for it to happen all three rounds (assuming you don't play the same people since we are talking about the winners here). Couple that with the fact that the above assumes a full defeat of your opponent's force which doesn't always happen and the probability is even smaller.
Bob..........2..........0..........400..........Tom, Sue
Tom..........1..........1..........500..........Bob, Steve
Sue..........1..........1..........300..........Steve, Bob
Steve........0..........2..........100..........Sue, Tom
Most wins is King: Bob is first because he has 2 wins (even though he accumulated less points)
Tie-Breaker: Tom is second in front of Sue both have 1 win but Tom scored more points.
If you need to go to the 2nd tie breaker you look at the opponents faced and add up the number of victories they each have in this case....
2nd tie Breaker
Code:
Player Opponent Wins Opponents
--------- ---------------- -------------------
Bob 1 + 1 = 2 Tom, Sue
Tom 2 + 0 = 2 Bob, Steve
Sue 0 + 2 = 2 Steve, Bob
Steve 1 + 1 = 2 Sue, Tom
If you need to go to the 3rd tie breaker just add up all points your opponents scored.
3rd tie Breaker
Code:
Player Opponent Points Opponents
--------- ---------------- -------------------
Bob 500 + 300 = 800 Tom, Sue
Tom 400 + 100 = 500 Bob, Steve
Sue 100 + 400 = 500 Steve, Bob
Steve 300 + 400 = 700 Sue, Tom
With swiss pairing you figure out player order after every single round so that #1 vs #2, #3 vs #4, #5 vs #6, etc.
The tiebreaking does not always resolve a clear order in the first couple of rounds so have a die handy.
By round 3 it should start to resolve itself.
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Bob..........2..........0..........400..........Tom, Sue
Tom..........1..........1..........300..........Bob, Steve
Sue..........1..........1..........300..........Steve, Bob
Steve........0..........2..........100..........Sue, Tom
Look the table, how do i put tom and sue in their positions? they have 1 1 and 300 points, now what i look?
Now you look at the records of their opponents. Both of them played Bob, who went 2-0 and both played Steve, who went 0-2. This means the third tiebreaker (opponent's win/loss rate) would have them still tied with 2-2.
Now we move to the final tiebreaker, opponent's victory points. Both played Steve who scored 100 points and both played Bob who scored 400 points. This means both have a final tiebreaker of 500 points. They are still dead-tied and then that is it.
Player's win/loss record, then player's victory points, then sum of all their opponents' win/loss record, then sum of all opponents' victory points.
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