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So we finally had a Tactics game last night, and it was fun and we played through, but I'm looking back and am sorta confused about some interactions. Specifically, how USS Enterprise-D's "Planting a Command: SLEEP" trait interacts with multi-target attacks, multiattacks, and/or colossal stamina [they were fighting a Borg cube, obviously].
Here's the pertinent info:
PLANTING A COMMAND IN THE COLLECTIVE: "SLEEP": When an opposing ship within 8 squares of U.S.S. Enterprise-D places an Assimilation token and actions resolve, roll a d6; on a result of 4-6, give that opposing ship an action token.
BORG Team Ability:When a ship using this team ability hits an opposing ship, place one Assimilation token on the target.
So let me work through this:
ONE When I Multi-Attack with the Cube, the first action resolves before the second. Does the "when actionS resolve" in the SLEEP trait trigger twice [after each resolve] or only once [after actionS resolve]?
TWO When the Cube multi-targets and hits, would the roll for the SLEEP trait happen twice [because two tokens are placed] or only once [because any tokens were placed]?
TWO-B Assuming the Cube hits both targets, but only assigns damage to one, both targets still get an Assimilation token, right? 'Cause they're still hit. That's a bit of a gimme.
THREE This one we played wrong, I think, but I'm not sure. Assuming the Cube has a token and takes an action [with indom] to attack, and hits, and the Enterprise succeeds at the Sleep roll, the Cube doesn't take any damage from the extra token, right? Or does it? Colossal Stamina should have nothing to do with anything in this situation.
EXPLANATORY SCENARIO [to bring it on home]:
The Tactical Cube has a token on it. It is adjacent to the Enterprise-D and within three squares of three other ships, all of which have an Assimilation token on them. Using its Indomitable, the Cube declares a Multi-Attack, first shooting two of the non-adjacent ships [both hits, but assigns all damage to only one target] and then Pulse-Waves against everything. Everything is hurt bot nothing is destroyed.
How many Assimilation tokens were placed? How many times and when does the SLEEP trait get rolled? Assuming the results are all 4-6, what happens to the Cube as far as Action Tokens/pushing are concerned?
I kinda figured somebody would've taken this, but here's my shot at things:
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ONE When I Multi-Attack with the Cube, the first action resolves before the second. Does the "when actionS resolve" in the SLEEP trait trigger twice [after each resolve] or only once [after actionS resolve]?
Sleep would only trigger once. All actions must resolve, which includes all actions spawned by those actions. "After actions resolve" is a single nad final trigger.
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TWO When the Cube multi-targets and hits, would the roll for the SLEEP trait happen twice [because two tokens are placed] or only once [because any tokens were placed]?
I say you would roll once, because tokens weer placed. There's no "each time" or similar trigger used.
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TWO-B Assuming the Cube hits both targets, but only assigns damage to one, both targets still get an Assimilation token, right? 'Cause they're still hit. That's a bit of a gimme.
Yep. Both get tokens.
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THREE This one we played wrong, I think, but I'm not sure. Assuming the Cube has a token and takes an action [with indom] to attack, and hits, and the Enterprise succeeds at the Sleep roll, the Cube doesn't take any damage from the extra token, right? Or does it? Colossal Stamina should have nothing to do with anything in this situation.
Action tokens after the second are ignored unless the effect stipluates how they are dealt with like Colossal Stamina does. (See also Incap and MoE.)
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1: Because the power begins with "when" it will trigger each time the "when" condition happens. So you will roll twice, but the rolls happen only after the whole Multiattack action has resolved.
2: It would trigger twice.
3: It will not take damage from the extra token. The placing of the token will be ignored per the golden rule of action tokens.
Exp.Scen.: The Sleep power will trigger twice for the first attack and will not trigger during the Pulse Wave attack (as it is ignored during that). So two assimilation tokens will be placed during the first attack. The Sleep power will be rolled for twice after the whole Multiattack action has resolved. The Cube will get one action token for activating Multiattack and as it now already has two tokens, the placing of the tokens from the Sleep power will be ignored.
Cool, so it takes all day to get two answers, which don't agree with each other. Rad!
And Pulse Wave ignores the powers on the guy making the attack, too? I dunno if I buy that one. If this is true, it's funny 'cause the power is called "Assimilate All Available Targets."
And Pulse Wave ignores the powers on the guy making the attack, too? I dunno if I buy that one. If this is true, it's funny 'cause the power is called "Assimilate All Available Targets."
No, but it ignores the powers on the Enterprise, which is the ship that has the Sleep power. The PW will place assimilation tokens, but the Sleep power won't trigger.
No, but it ignores the powers on the Enterprise, which is the ship that has the Sleep power. The PW will place assimilation tokens, but the Sleep power won't trigger.
Yes! Yes, right. I was misreading your reply. Carry on!
I'd still disagree on #1. It doesn't say "roll a d6 for each hit character" or "for each time a character is hit." The d6 is a single instance that occurs after actions resolves. Was a character hit with an attack? If yes, then roll.
Also, a devils advocate is needed. I can see VP's point and it's possible that I'm wrong.
Also, my bad Uber, I missed that the scenario was a question and overlooked it.
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I'd still disagree on #1. It doesn't say "roll a d6 for each hit character" or "for each time a character is hit." The d6 is a single instance that occurs after actions resolves. Was a character hit with an attack? If yes, then roll.
It doesn't need to say "for each character" .. because the phrasing "when <condition happens>...." means it will trigger each time that condition happens.
The wording for what you are describing would be more along the lines of "After actions have resolved, if an opposing ship within 8 squares places an assimilation token, ..."
That way, you would know to wait until after actions have resolved, and *then* check. As it is, it tells you that it triggers whenever the event happens, but you only put the sleep token(s) on it after actions have resolved.