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BATTLEFIELD PROMOTION: NIGHTWING: When Robin hits one or more opposing characters, after actions resolve, place a Promotion Token on his character card. You may then roll a d6 that can't be rerolled and add 1 for each Promotion Token on his character card; on a result of 8 or higher, replace this character with [DC10th Anniversary] #007 Nightwing on the same click number.
The ability in question: battlefield promotion
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Merge
When this character is adjacent to other friendly characters that each represent one distinct qualifying character listed on a Duo character’s character card and all of them have no action tokens, give this character a free action to replace all of them with that Duo character, the same number of clicks from its starting line as this character. The combined point value of the qualifying characters must be equal to or greater than the point value of the Duo character (unless the that Duo character previously used the Split ability to be replaced by these same characters). The Duo character can’t use the Split ability this turn. This ability can’t be countered.
The ability causing the replacement: merge.
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Merge
Game effects assigned to the individual characters pass to the Duo.
The Duo can use those effects provided that the Duo qualifies for the effect.
Regardless of the label (eg, ―Names and Titles‖), the name at the top of the biographical information on a character card is considered to be the real name for this ability.
The player's guide entry on merge
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Replacement Characters
Game effects that are applied to a character prior to replacement are applied to the new character accordingly. If the replacement results in multiple new characters, then the game effects are distributed as decided by the characters‘ controller.
Game effects which would replace a character with a new character on the same dial (for example, Batman #210 Two- Face) do not require that character to be listed on the sideline. A character can‘t be replaced by a character with the same set symbol and collector number.
The player's guide entry on replacement characters.
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REPLACING CHARACTERS
Certain game effects will call for a character to be replaced with one or more other characters on the map. When assembling your force, you identify these replacement characters although they are not yet on your force. Replacement characters’ point values are not added to your build total. All players should agree on the maximum number of replacement characters allowed per force.
While replacement characters are off the map, they should be positioned on their click. When a game effect causes a character to be replaced:
• Tokens assigned to the replaced character are assigned to the replacement character, including tokens for the action that placed them on the map, unless otherwise specified by that effect.
• The replacement character must occupy squares that were occupied by the replaced character. If this is not possible, the replacement character may occupy squares adjacent to squares that were occupied by the replaced character.
• Any ongoing effects that apply to the replaced character continue to affect the replacement character.
• If the replaced character was given a non- free action this turn, then the replacement character is considered to have been given a non-free action this turn as well.
• You may only replace a character if that character began the game as part of your force.
The rulebook entry on replacement characters.
My question is simple:
I have Robin who has accumulated 7 promotion tokens. If I merge him into Batman and Robin, does the duo retain my promotion tokens? When I split, if I split into the DC10 Batman that also has a battlefield promotion trait ability, can I assign these 7 promotion tokens to him? If I then promote Batman, will the Black Lantern Batman still retain those 7 promotion tokens?
Sun Tzu Clan Leader
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For your various questions, I don't see any reason why not.
Now here's my question: could you divide those promotion tokens between Batman and Robin as you saw fit when you use Split? That is, is each token an "effect" to be assigned as you choose, or is the clump of tokens the "effect" that must be all put on one character of your choice? I'd suspect the former.
The bolded section is referring to action tokens, as it mentions them specifically.
However, it's an odd enough situation that I can't see a reason why it's illegal. If you make it work, more power to you.
Also, I'd disagree with flatmatt and say that all tokens are replaced together as a single effect, not parsed out individually.
Is it meant to refer to action tokens? I assumed they were referencing any and all tokens.
It will also be interesting to know how the division of tokens works. Can I split them between two different characters? Do all of the tokens go to a single figure? If they all have to go to the same figure, do ALL tokens have to go to that figure, or is it just that each clump of different token types considered different game effects?
Sun Tzu Clan Leader
Quote : Originally Posted by Uberman
When a game hums along, full of action and excitement, it's a barnburner!
When it trudges forward glacially, bogged down by debates over ridiculous rules minutia, it's a Barnstable!
I read that to mean battlefield promotion tokens. Actions tend to place those on the characters. Maybe I just misunderstood what they meant.
I suppose it's possible, but I seriously doubt that. Being as a replacement character is very likely to have or be in the process of being assigned an action token, and significantly less likely to have replacement tokens, I'd assume that the reference to tokens in replacement characters would not be referring to promotion tokens.
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I suppose it's possible, but I seriously doubt that. Being as a replacement character is very likely to have or be in the process of being assigned an action token, and significantly less likely to have replacement tokens, I'd assume that the reference to tokens in replacement characters would not be referring to promotion tokens.
And this is why I ask. I would have never guessed that was the intent.
Sun Tzu Clan Leader
Quote : Originally Posted by Uberman
When a game hums along, full of action and excitement, it's a barnburner!
When it trudges forward glacially, bogged down by debates over ridiculous rules minutia, it's a Barnstable!
I would assume the intent was to refer to action tokens, but since it never actually says so, it applies to all tokens, whether they are action tokens or otherwise.
Another point: If other tokens didn't move to the new character, then things like Morlun's tracking tokens could be removed just by using a character replacement effect.
So, if you merge silver centurion with some james rhodes figure, do the accel tokens come with?
Also when you split, can you transfer the "has already used the PBT power action this game" game effect to the OTHER character you split into? getting you another torpedo, and already having all the accel tokens you need?
if so, can you continue to get more torpedos in this way by transferring ALL of the "has used it this game" effects to the other guy?
So, if you merge silver centurion with some james rhodes figure, do the accel tokens come with?
Also when you split, can you transfer the "has already used the PBT power action this game" game effect to the OTHER character you split into? getting you another torpedo, and already having all the accel tokens you need?
if so, can you continue to get more torpedos in this way by transferring ALL of the "has used it this game" effects to the other guy?
In short no. You cannot transfer the fact that you already used a power once for that game to a character especially since that character does not have the power in question.
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