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02/27/2014, 13:07

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Fast Forces Black Manta Trait Question!

"MARINE MARAUDER: At the beginning of the game, you may place Black Manta in any water terrain within 8 squares."

Does this go off before the 1st player moves?

Does it go off on the controlling character first turn?

02/27/2014, 13:34

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STEP 1: REVEAL FORCES AND ESTABLISH THE FIRST PLAYER
STEP 2: CHOOSE MAP AND STARTING AREAS
STEP 3: PLACE CHARACTERS
Once Steps 1–3 are complete, play begins with the first player.

The game begins after characters are placed and before the beginning of Player 1's first turn.

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02/27/2014, 13:50

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Thank you for confirming this for me!

03/15/2014, 21:13

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does he still qualify for first turn immunity since he's not in the starting location but hasnt moved?

03/15/2014, 21:47

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No, because he has been placed.

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FIRST-ROUND IMMUNITY
During the first round of the game, characters that have not been given an action, placed, or moved can’t be targeted by opposing characters, knocked back, attacked, or damaged, unless a game effect that does so specifically states that it occurs at the beginning of the game.

03/15/2014, 21:50

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Quote : Originally Posted by fflod004

MARINE MARAUDER: At the beginning of the game, you may place Black Manta in any water terrain within 8 squares. When Black Manta occupies water terrain, modify his speed and defense values by +2.

Quote : Originally Posted by 2014 Rulebook, page 7

FIRST-ROUND IMMUNITY
During the first round of the game, characters that have not been given an action, placed, or moved can’t be targeted by opposing characters, knocked back, attacked, or damaged, unless a game effect that does so specifically states that it occurs at the beginning of the game.

Manta should be safe, provided that you don't move/place him again.

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does he still qualify for first turn immunity since he's not in the starting location but hasnt moved?

03/15/2014, 22:08

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When placing characters at the beginning of the game characters that can use Phasing/Teleport, Smoke Cloud, or Stealth on their starting positions can be placed into hindering terrain up to half their unmodified speed values away from their starting areas.

Characters that can use the Swim ability on their starting positions can be placed in water terrain up to half their unmodified values away from their starting areas.

Seeing as how "Marine Marauder" doesn't specify "within 8 squares of his starting area" can he be placed with Inflitration and then placed again with "Marine Marauder"?

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03/15/2014, 22:13

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Quote : Originally Posted by Infiltration

When placing characters at the beginning of the game characters that can use Phasing/Teleport, Smoke Cloud, or Stealth on their starting positions can be placed into hindering terrain up to half their unmodified speed values away from their starting areas.

Characters that can use the Swim ability on their starting positions can be placed in water terrain up to half their unmodified values away from their starting areas.

You choose to resolve Infiltration, first, then Marine Maurader. As worded, this could work, giving him a 12 square lead and FTI.

Of course, it's implied that Manta begins the game in his starting area (as opposed to anywhere else); the copy needs to be errata'd for specificity.

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Seeing as how "Marine Marauder" doesn't specify "within 8 squares of his starting area" can he be placed with Inflitration and then placed again with "Marine Marauder"?

03/15/2014, 22:53

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Why the rush for errata? Let it play out for awhile. If Black Manta starts crushing every ROC and major tournament, then let's take a look at him.

03/16/2014, 01:39

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il let you know how brutal he is on my soldier themed team with TWS cap to hopefully steal every map roll :D

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