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Can you make a ranged attack against an adjacent friendly?

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If the range value is greater than 0 and your character is not adjacent to an opposing character, then your character can make a ranged combat attack.

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MOLE MAN'S MONSTERS: Mole Man can use Mind Control only to target characters with the Monster keyword, including friendly ones. When using this Mind Control, Mole Man is not dealt unavoidable damage and modifies his attack value by +3.

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MIND CONTROL Give this character a close or ranged combat action (minimum range value 4) that deals no damage. A successfully hit target becomes friendly to your force. Each target hit may be assigned one action as a free action, immediately after which the target becomes an opposing character again. Deal this character 1 unavoidable damage if the successfully hit targets’ combined point value is 150 points or more.

I have Mole Man, who is standing next to Solomon Grundy and two Science Police Officers. All are adjacent to each other. All are friendly to one another. Can I make a ranged Mind Control attack against Grundy to gain the benefit of the PD team ability even though Grundy is adjacent? I believe by my reading the answer is yes, but it really doesn't "feel" right.

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The only figures that can make a ranged combat attack upon adjacent figures are those with Sharpshooter or Improved Targeting allowing for it specifically.

Mole Man does not have any of these abilities, so if he is attacking an adjacent Solomon Grundy, PD will not come into effect as he can only make a close combat attack.

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You cannot do ranged combat against an adjacent character whitout some Improved Targeting that allows it.

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A ranged combat action can be given to a character to activate a ranged combat attack that targets one or more non-adjacent opposing characters that are within range and line of fire

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You cannot do ranged combat against an adjacent character whitout some Improved Targeting that allows it.

The thing that's tripping me up is that it specifies "non-adjacent opposing" instead of just "non-adjacent". The rule I quoted at the start of my post uses similar language - that you can make a range combat attack if you're not adjacent to an opposing figure. My question is whether or not it matters that Grundy is friendly to Mole Man.

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The thing that's tripping me up is that it specifies "non-adjacent opposing" instead of just "non-adjacent". The rule I quoted at the start of my post uses similar language - that you can make a range combat attack if you're not adjacent to an opposing figure. My question is whether or not it matters that Grundy is friendly to Mole Man.

The "friendly" clause in Mole Man's SP only alters the opposing stipulation of ranged combat attacks. Not the non-adjacent part.

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actually you can make a RC attack against a adjacent non-opposing character

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The rule states:

If the range value is greater than 0 and your character is not adjacent to an opposing character, then your character can make a ranged combat attack.

Is your character's range greater then 0?
Is your character not adjacent to an opposing character?

If you answered yes to both these questions, then you can make a Ranged Attack. It does not state that the target has to be Non-adjacent.

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=497917

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actually you can make a RC attack against a adjacent non-opposing character

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=497917

Oh... I didn't know that the ruling had been overturned...

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The long-term answer is "we don't know yet", the short term answer is "it looks like it works for the time being"

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The long-term answer is "we don't know yet", the short term answer is "it looks like it works for the time being"

No, the long term is we definitively know. Mister Id ruled you can and nothing has overturned that or said it is currently up for debate.

You can ranged attack adjacent friendly dudes.

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No, you can not make ranged attacks against adjacent friendly characters.

A ranged combat action can be given to a character to activate a ranged combat attack that targets one or more non-adjacent opposing characters that are within range and line of fire.

When allowed to target friendly characters nothing changes the status of "non-adjacent".

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Still wondering how or why the adjacency issue is being confused here.

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No, you can not make ranged attacks against adjacent friendly characters.

A ranged combat action can be given to a character to activate a ranged combat attack that targets one or more non-adjacent opposing characters that are within range and line of fire.

When allowed to target friendly characters nothing changes the status of "non-adjacent".

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The rule states:

If the range value is greater than 0 and your character is not adjacent to an opposing character, then your character can make a ranged combat attack.

Is your character's range greater then 0?
Is your character not adjacent to an opposing character?

If you answered yes to both these questions, then you can make a Ranged Attack. It does not state that the target has to be Non-adjacent.

These seem to contradict one another ...

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Still wondering how or why the adjacency issue is being confused here.

Because someone is trying to create a loophole to get a bonus they would otherwise not legally be entitled to. In other words: same ol', same ol'.

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Why would the terrain be Opposing?

As long as you are not adjacent to an opposing character and you have LoF, there is nothing preventing you from making a ranged attack against adjacent terrain.

Why is the rule somehow different for terrain and characters?

The rule not allowing you to attack adjacent things is the same rule applying in both cases, and the modifications to what you are allowed to target in both the friendly and terrain instances do not allow you to attack adjacent things.

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Quote : Originally Posted by firlz

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Why is the rule somehow different for terrain and characters?

The rule not allowing you to attack adjacent things is the same rule applying in both cases, and the modifications to what you are allowed to target in both the friendly and terrain instances do not allow you to attack adjacent things.

I am equally confused by this.

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